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David Lynch Part II: The Certainty of Death (Episode 153)
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Welcome back to Death and Entertainment. I am known as the Log Lady. There is a story behind that. There are many stories in Hollywood. Some of them are sad, some funny. Some of them are stories of madness, of violence. Some are ordinary, yet they all have about them a sense of mystery the mystery of life, sometimes the mystery of death. The mystery of life, Sometimes the mystery of death, the mystery of David Lynch. And now our story continues until it concludes. It has been a pleasure speaking to you. Live from Los Angeles 911,. What is your emergency?
Speaker 4:Here in Hollywood now Two counts of murder, injury and death. Oh my God, shocking new details.
Speaker 6:Injury and death. Oh my God, shocking new details. That has stunned the entertainment world.
Speaker 4:This makes me a little nervous. The hair stood up on my arms, just like in the movies. What do you? Call this thing anyway.
Speaker 6:Death In entertainment.
Speaker 7:Greetings Ditto Universe. Hi there, Hope you had a great Valentine's Day. What's going on, everybody? My name's Kyle Plouffe. I'm Alejandro Dowling.
Speaker 6:I'm Ben Kissel. Make sure to check out our Patreon at patreoncom. Slash, diebud, ok, bud and Death and Entertainment have joined forces to give you guys some amazing content, and today's episode we are on David Lynch, part 2.
Speaker 8:Yeah, if you thought we covered everything about David Lynch in Part 1, you are dead wrong.
Speaker 6:I don't think they did, because it's Part 1. Because there would be no reason to call it Part 1.
Speaker 7:They might have been stuck in the mud hole and they didn't hear that the Part 2 was coming.
Speaker 6:Oh, could be. Yeah, hope everyone enjoyed playing in mud on this Valentineentine's day.
Speaker 7:yeah, and, without further ado, let's do part two. Okay, where did we leave off? I think we left off with Twin Peaks, you know, killing somebody. The show killed somebody. Well, didn't one of the guys die? Yes, that was the last thing I think we talked about.
Speaker 8:We went through every. Then the show died.
Speaker 6:Yes, the show died and the movie tanked Because they killed Laura Palmer halfway through the second season. People were like what's the point of the show anymore? Big mistake, that was a mistake.
Speaker 8:And then we went over a couple of actors from the Twin Peaks universe and we have more of that today. Oh good, great. So you guys actually mentioned something about. Wouldn't it be wild if David Lynch had done a sitcom? Yes, well, he actually did do a sitcom. Get out of town yeah, he did it in 1992, and it only lasted a few episodes.
Speaker 6:What was that?
Speaker 8:called. It was behind the scenes at a TV station.
Speaker 6:Oh, I love that idea.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I'm looking up the name right now. I forget the name exactly, but it was like a comedy, straight up comedy, like Screwball Wow On the air. It's called that's very interesting.
Speaker 6:I think that show became news radio. Right, they were looking for a behind the scenes type show yeah, david Lynch. And then they're like David, most of the people are just in the bathroom the whole time. He's like, yeah, that's where all the good stuff happens.
Speaker 8:So once again he was ahead of the curve because he had a show that would be developed, probably as something like NewsRadio later.
Speaker 6:RIP Phil Hartman.
Speaker 8:Oh yeah, so the rest of the 90s. He kind of laid low for the most part until 1997 when Lost Highway was released, and that is what a movie it's about a saxophonist who's accused of murdering his wife, who's accused of murdering his wife, and while he's on death row, he morphs into a completely different person. Who's this mechanic? And then, as the movie continues, their paths cross, and apparently this was inspired by the OJ trial, what which? You've seen the movie, right? Yeah, did you get any feeling of oj from it?
Speaker 6:not quite well, I mean, you gotta murder. You gotta someone murdered their loved one, yeah, oj loved nicole brown. That was a perversion of love yes, loosely based, I would say I think he also just says stuff in interviews yeah, I really do. Because I was watching a lot of the interviews, the one where he ate the woman's panties, which is pretty fantastic, and I do think he just kind of I don't want to say the word trolls, because that's disgusting now and it's a gross term done by gross people Playful, he playfully yeah.
Speaker 6:He's constantly pulling people's legs. I don't know where the truth is with the guy.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and if you dared ask him what anything means in one of his movies, he would not answer the question Right. Or if you would say I think that Twin Peaks is about youth and the dangers of, you know, love and high school and blah, blah, blah. Small town drama, yeah, and he would go no.
Speaker 7:Good to see you, Roger. Oh yeah, that's a great clip.
Speaker 8:Kyle's referring to this clip where Roger Ebert is on the red carpet at the Oscars and Lynch comes up to him and Roger Ebert famously hated all of Lynch's movies. Roger Ebert was an asshole. Well, wasn't really. Was I like roger ebert? Oh, my god I. I grew up reading his reviews, watching the show, but he did like the straight story and everything after that yeah so it's just kind of a funny encounter, because what did he say? I love movies that refuse to end.
Speaker 7:Refuse to end. Yeah, and he goes. Good to see you, Roger. That movie left everybody's jaws on the floor. Ebert's was the only one that stayed there.
Speaker 6:Yeah, Eventually it definitely fell on the floor, but that was because of throat cancer. Yeah, that's brutal.
Speaker 8:RIP Roger Ebert yes.
Speaker 6:And he also booed wild at heart at can about a decade earlier. Yeah, that's the thing, roger ebert. He ruined people's careers for fun.
Speaker 8:That's not nice. Well, he inexplicably did not like david lynch, and he was the only critic I'm a cisco guy. I'm a cisco guy, all right, you heard it here first lost highway, though that's's a tough film, it's got everything you want, except somehow it does not fully come together. As well as its best work, in my opinion. Right, it's lynching of Blender, hyper-stylized art film with all the usual themes. One of the best soundtracks ever.
Speaker 7:Yes, nine Inch Nails, david Bowieie, rammstein, manson, manson yeah, incidentally, lynch once called rammstein his favorite band, wow, yeah he was a super fan, hasn't seen him in the front row of a rammstein concert his hair being singed play do hush. This is great. Well, I mean, that actually makes sense Because if you think of, like the complete opposite of Bob Dylan, bob Dylan's concert made him so upset that he packed up and moved away from his friend. True, yeah, that's a good point, rammstein. You know that's surprising, but also not.
Speaker 8:Yeah, lost Highway actually has a lot of characters from the die universe. We got natasha gregson, wagner, daddy wagner's sort of daughter hanger on who thinks he's innocent. Yeah, and we have the last screen roles of jack nance, who we're going to talk about in a second. Richard Pryor yeah, his last appearance in cinema, wow. And then, of course, mr Robert Blake Ooh, yes. And why don't we watch? This is one of the best scenes ever. The movie is not Lynch's ultimate masterpiece, but this scene is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this scene's great. We've met before, haven't we? I don't think so. Where was it? You think we met At your house, don't you remember? As a matter of fact, I'm there right now. Call me. I told you I was here, hmm. It's been a pleasure talking to you, hmm.
Speaker 6:No way a guy like that could talking to you, hmm, no way a guy like that could murder his wife. No, no way. Oh my God, that's a creepy scene, yeah.
Speaker 8:And I read that he's going for dream logic with that movie. Okay, so one minute it's a normal party funk music playing, and then suddenly the soundtrack turns to ominous drones and there's this mysterious guy and it really does resemble some kind of nightmare you're having.
Speaker 6:Absolutely. He nailed that.
Speaker 8:So if you are looking for some sort of explanation for David Lynch's movies, that is one way to look at it. Okay, so it doesn't really matter to dig that deeper into the surface of it.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 8:So let's talk about Robert Blake for a second. We did a whole episode on him. Yep, kyle, what do you have to say about this?
Speaker 7:I mean Ben doesn't like when I say people are guilty when there's been a trial and they've been proven innocent.
Speaker 6:We have a court of law in this country.
Speaker 7:I think you know good actor but complete lunatic. The fact that he went on Larry King's show and just completely went unhinged and was like screaming at him, ready to fight him, it was just a little too much.
Speaker 8:Well, you have to understand that's after years of people thinking he's a murderer so you killed your wife correct so he's all pent up, larry, I told you not to speak of that, yeah I mean to be honest, larry's like that's why we brought you on the show.
Speaker 7:Yeah exactly, there's no reason for you to be here, except for this whole like murder thing you want to talk about like little rascals, because he was on little rascals hey, now that's a fantastic show, full of innocence youth street cart racing. Almost no innocence on the show actually.
Speaker 8:We're going to be covering that, uh, very soon well, fantastic, let's just ruin everything yeah, so bonnie lee bakely was his wife and she was gunned down after they ate at vitello's in 2001. Yeah, he left his gun at the table, went back to get his gun.
Speaker 7:He came back. She was gunned down after they ate at vitello's in 2001. Yeah, he left his gun at the table, went back to get his gun. He came back. She was already shot. He ran home, left her there. He's like we got robbed, but he didn't know they got robbed because he wasn't there and I found her.
Speaker 6:She must have been getting robbed and uh, yeah innocent in the court of law, true, or at least not guilty? Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7:There's a difference.
Speaker 8:There is a big difference. Yeah, but he died too. He died recently. He did In.
Speaker 6:I want to say 2023.
Speaker 8:Oh, okay, so not a bad last movie to have Lost Highway.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so that was his last work, though, 1997.
Speaker 8:Yep, even though he just died, even though he just died, no one would hire him after the trial yeah, come on.
Speaker 6:What's murder amongst Hollywood friends?
Speaker 8:yeah but yeah, and then I want to get into the other guy whose last appearance it was is Jack Nance another episode we've done, yes, so he had a bad. Whose last appearance it was is Jack Nance Another episode we've done, yes, and so he had a bad final go of it. Yeah, the whole, basically after Twin Peaks onward, is really bad for Jack Nance.
Speaker 7:Yeah, he's in Meatballs 4. Right what? And then he got punched in the head and got knocked out at Winchell's and died. What Getting a coffee.
Speaker 6:I didn't know there was four meatballs. Yeah, that's the shocking part. Yeah, they're getting punched in the head thing that happens yeah you know who was his co-star in meatballs?
Speaker 8:for no, cory feldman. What, yeah, and I actually spoke to the director of it because he was presenting repossessed with neil, excuse me, with leslie nielsen that movie is amazing at the new beverly, and beforehand he was hanging outside and we had just done the jack nance episode a couple months before, so I started talking to him about it so the director of repossessed directed meatballs for exactly yeah, so wow, yeah, I took the opportunity at that screening to meet with him.
Speaker 6:Bob logan is his name was he happy when you brought up meatballs four?
Speaker 8:oh yeah, he was happy when I brought up jack nance and actually I said I was going to email him to come on and talk about that experience. Yes, and I still haven't emailed him.
Speaker 6:We gotta do it yeah, I have to do that.
Speaker 8:That'd be awesome but, as we covered in that episode, on the set of Meatballs 4, jack Nance gets a call from his wife, kelly Van Dyke. Jerry Van Dyke's daughter, okay, whom he was seeing he's still going strong by the way. No, he's gone.
Speaker 6:Oh, I'm thinking of Dick Van Dyke, dick Van Dyke, yeah.
Speaker 7:He is going strong.
Speaker 6:Dick Van Dyke is going strong.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and then she said she's going to kill herself over the phone. And then there was a big storm and the line cut out, and so that's where it ended for Jack Nance the phone call that she was going to kill herself Because he was on set and she was in LA.
Speaker 6:Meanwhile, she's just surrounded by big-titted women and they're fucking cock jokes. And Corey Feldman, Corey Feldman, he's like honey. You know I'm in a very serious acting role right now. I'm starring in Meatballs 4. This is going to be huge for us and our family. Don't commit suicide now.
Speaker 8:And then she did oh, oh boy. And then he had to finish the movie, damn. And on the episode we did, we watched a scene from it and if you can believe it, it was a very emotional scene, yeah he was crying yeah because it was after he had found out.
Speaker 8:So he channeled all his emotions and after that he had all kinds of ailments, really bad decline, and he had one more appearance in Lost Highway and David Lynch did a reunion with him and his ex-wife, catherine Coulson, who the log lady she used to be married to jack nance and so while making lost highway on a featurette you can see it on youtube they have a little reunion.
Speaker 8:Oh no kidding. And that was the last time they saw each other because jack nance on december 29th 1996 went to get coffee, as Kyle mentioned, at Winchell's Donuts in South Pasadena around 4 am and the story goes that he got into a scuffle with a couple of delinquent kids who were just hanging around looking for trouble.
Speaker 6:Right at the donut shop at 4 am.
Speaker 8:Yeah and then they beat him up, and so that day he was pretty badly bruised and his friends were worried about him, and one of them drove him home after they had dinner and he died in the night tell me he had meatballs for dinner four of them at no point during these kids beating him up, did they look at him be like that's jack dance from meatballs four?
Speaker 6:what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 8:we will never know what happened at winchell's. There's no footage of it, there's no witnesses, it's only the story that he told his friends and then he died in his sleep yeah, that the he.
Speaker 8:It happened around 4 am. He died less than 24 hours later in the night, wow, when he went to bed. So it's very mysterious. It's kind of a fitting end for this guy. You know he was the star of Eraserhead, always had an air of mystery around him, but fantastic screen presence, as you saw last week in Wild at Heart where he's barking. Yes, absolutely my dog. Yeah.
Speaker 6:Wow, what a way to go.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and here's a clip of David Lynch actually talking about the incident.
Speaker 11:I think in this donut shop. You know, you can only kind of, you know, imagine what goes on, but he just went in probably to get some coffee. Maybe he didn't like, it wasn't really an eater, you know, he loved to drink coffee and so you could see him in this donut shop and you could see these guys there and jack, you know, in his surly thing, and he could be kind of verbally abusive so he might have said something and then that was, that was it, and he just got hit. Really hard.
Speaker 6:He doesn't mix words, you know. Yeah, wow, not much of an eater, though that's fascinating he was a drinker, oh at the same time that lynch quit drinking and found transcendental meditation.
Speaker 8:Remember, during the making of eraser head?
Speaker 6:uh-huh, jack nance went the opposite way oh, he turned into a vicious drunkard I guess that does bring you to a coffee shop at 4 am or a donut joint, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8:All right, he was hungry. Maybe he finally wanted to eat something. Maybe Didn't get his chance.
Speaker 6:I mean, I think the donut shops in Los Angeles are all a ruse. There's an undercover child operation going on or something, because no one's fat here, and then every corner there's like have some donuts.
Speaker 8:Yeah, here, and then every corner there's like have some donuts. Yeah, and I don't know who's eating them I'm eating them for everybody you know what skinny, and I know I hate it. I don't, I don't get it. What you and they. The other thing is, hamburgers are really popular here too. Yeah, and who's eating them besides me?
Speaker 6:I think we're eating for like five people. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8:I do have one theory, before we move on, though, about this incident at Winchell's. I think that they asked Jack if he wanted a Hertz donut. Hey, Hertz donut. And the joke got out of hand.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, really possible, that is fantastic out of hand.
Speaker 8:Yeah, yeah, really possible. That is fantastic. So lost highway, as usual, divides everybody. Some critics call it the best film of his career.
Speaker 7:Roger eber gives it one star it has one of my favorite deaths of all time, which one in movies where the guy tries to run away and goes into the glass table and it splits his head. That's so good.
Speaker 8:Well, like I said, there's a lot to love about this movie. Yeah, I'm just saying as a whole piece. Yeah, it doesn't work as well as something like blue, velvet or wild at heart to me, sure, but can you watch it and like enjoy it? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, it's just not the first one I would point to for people. Right. This next one, though, boy, does he take a U-turn for his next movie?
Speaker 7:Oh God.
Speaker 8:That nobody expected.
Speaker 7:This is the one that Alejandro's making me cry, telling me about it at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that was the weirdest. I look over and Kyle's crying. He's like stop telling me. And Alejandro's like I'm just telling him about this movie. I was like why are you crying? Ever since Kyle had this kid, I'm soft, Very soft.
Speaker 8:Oh boy, and I'm soft from all the burgers and donuts. Hey, hey, not bad.
Speaker 6:So it's called the.
Speaker 8:Straight Story called the straight story and it was released in 1999, and it is about a 73 year old guy named elvin straight who he hears that his estranged brother lyle is critically ill and so he's also not doing so well himself, so he's not able to drive a car, so he grabs his lawnmower and goes on a journey from Iowa to Wisconsin. I know this movie. I watch this movie David Lynch.
Speaker 8:That's amazing Disney David Lynch movie and it's a hard G, as Norm MacDonald says. It's one of Norm's favorite movies. Yeah, it's a heartwarming tale. Oh, it's absolutely heartwarming. Wow, it's actually one of the most pure movies I've ever seen. It is so real.
Speaker 6:How can one man direct the Elephant man and then the Straight Story, mm-hmm.
Speaker 8:That's crazy To go from Lost Highway to the straight story. About two years different. Yeah, 97 to 99. He's like I need to chill out.
Speaker 6:This whole Lynch thing's getting a little crazy, a little too weird.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it's so authentic Because I grew up in the Midwest and that's where I saw it. It's actually the first Lynch movie that I saw in the theater Me and where I saw it. It's actually the first Lynch movie that I saw in the theater Me and my dad and brother went to see it and we were floored by it.
Speaker 6:Where Alejandro and I are both Wisconsin boys. He grew up in Fond du Lac. I'm from Stevens Point, pretty close by.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and so, as exaggerated as something like Fargo is, the straight story is the opposite. It just feels like real, like you're just a fly on the wall, and I love this quote from Lynch about it Tenderness can be just as abstract as insanity.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so let's watch a clip of the great Richard Farnsworth as Alvin Straight, story as old as the Bible. Cain and Abel, anger Vanity. You mix that together with liquor, you've got two brothers that haven't spoken in 10 years. Whatever it was that made me and Lyle so mad, it don't matter anymore. I want to make peace. I want to sit with him, look up at the stars, like we used to do so long ago.
Speaker 6:Now I'm going to cry, yeah it's an absolutely beautiful movie. And he was nominated for that.
Speaker 8:Yeah, he got an Oscar nomination. So this is our next mini chapter about Richard Farnsworth. He was a stuntman most of his career. And then there's a 1983 around that time canadian movie called the gray fox that he starred in out of nowhere and he plays a bank robber or no, excuse me like a stage coach robber in that and obviously like a long time ago turn of the century or something, and you know he's not a great guy in it but yet you love him, like he's lovable and his charisma anti yeah, and just, he's such an expressive actor and his charisma. It's a fascinating performance and again, like the straight story, very pure. And so then he had a successful career as a character actor in Hollywood. After that, in his older age, he was in the Natural with Robert Redford. He had a very memorable performance in Misery.
Speaker 7:Yeah, he's the cop in Misery. Everything Slade said Right.
Speaker 8:Which, if you know what happens to him in that movie, the fact that it's Richard Farnsworth makes it all the more shocking. Yes, indeed, and he was going to retire by the end of the 90s because, unfortunately, he found out that he was terminally ill with bone cancer. But the opportunity to star in this next David Lynch film came to him and he could not pass it up.
Speaker 6:So he was dying throughout the entire film.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and he admired the story, so he's like I'm going to do this, and so he surprised everybody with his tenacity during the production and he got through it and, as you mentioned, he had an oscar nomination. I remember that and here's where we get to, where norm mcdonald comes in. So richard farnsworth ended up losing to kevin spacey that year for american beauty okay the straight story, ironically, is not the kevin spacey story, if you know what I mean, there we go um, but yeah, he lost.
Speaker 8:And norm mcdonald has a theory that if he had said he was dying because he kept his secret, oh that he might have won the oscar you got to use everything you got to use all the hands you're being dealt, he's got.
Speaker 6:You know, it's an ace in a sense, where it's like one or it's an ace, yeah.
Speaker 8:So yeah, use it yeah, and here's norm talking about that.
Speaker 10:Was nominated for an Academy Award for the movie, and if he had said he was filled with cancer, he? Would have won for sure, sure.
Speaker 10:But instead he didn't say it and in fact no one knew it. His family didn't know it, he kept it from everyone. And then he was a stuntman before he was an actor. He did what they call a stunt man's death, which is you put a shotgun in your mouth and you, with your toe, you pull the trigger and blow your head. Oh, my god. And so that, to me, is courageous. Like you're, you know you're not being a burden to your family, you know they know nothing about it, and and then you're gone, and then that's it, yeah. And then toe in the shotgun, yeah, and you know you write him. He wrote a nice letter to everybody in the family and said that you know he didn't want to. The reason he did it is he didn't want to cause people distress. So I thought, wow, how incredible.
Speaker 6:I mean it's interesting because of course, Norm didn't let anybody know that he had cancer, right? I mean it's interesting because of course, norm didn't let anybody know that he had cancer, Right? Yep, he was very private. I will push back a little bit on my icon, norm MacDonald. It also doesn't allow people to grieve, yeah, and you know you don't get to say your final goodbyes when the person's still alive. You know, there's kind of a because it's just so shocking. Yeah, like when Norm did die. Obviously I didn't know him personally, but it would have been nice just even like publicly, just be like oh, you know he's not going to be around forever. Yeah, right, instead of being so shocked. But I see where Norm's coming from, although the toe on the shotgun it's unsanitary. Yeah, you see people cooking with their toes and stuff like that.
Speaker 8:Nevermind the biohazard of the brain matter and the blood. It's just come on, use your finger if you can, and what if you miss? That's just embarrassing. Your toe is not? It's a kind of have you ever tried to paint with your toes? It's ridiculous.
Speaker 8:I mean, come on, toe painting what the hell's going on here, you know where you hold like a brush with your toe sure a little toe expression yeah yes, but yeah, the stuntman's death because you know, thinking of the movie like I had seen that in the theater was a such a nice experience with my family and loved richard farnsworth and that same year that he was at the oscars I hear that he shot himself dead. It was so like shocking to me that this nice old guy did that. Until I read more about it, yeah, where he was just really critically ill.
Speaker 6:Yeah, kind of with the Hunter S Thompson, kurt Cobain, way out.
Speaker 8:And so Norm was obsessed with this notion and he did the same thing himself. And when people would ask him what's your favorite impression? You can see this on YouTube as well. People would ask him what's your favorite impression? You can see this on YouTube as well. He would always do in his later years, richard Farnsworth from the Straight Story. Wow, nobody understood the joke. A lot of people probably hadn't even seen the movie. That's amazing. But he would go. I was a sniper when I grew up. You learned how to shoot to hunt food, and then sometimes the name of the character would change yeah, or he would get like the facts totally wrong from the movie his impression always changed so rip norm mcdonald and richard farnsworth?
Speaker 8:yeah, absolutely so. Lynch is riding high. In 1999 he gets his first positive review from Roger Ebert.
Speaker 6:Oh wow, Thank you, Roger.
Speaker 8:Four stars for the Straight Story. Talk of the wild to come around Of course, whatever I'm not.
Speaker 8:And Lynch. Of course, everyone else loved the Straight Story as well, and so Lynch has a lot of clout again. He's back, yeah, like he's back, yeah, he's back. He took a little break between twin peaks and lost highway, because think of how weird that time must have been for him. The highest of highs, yeah, career wise. And then somehow that all goes away by 1992. Like the movie didn't do well, the show was off. And so he's like what do I do next? He, of course, was always doing his art privately. He was, you know. If he wasn't doing it publicly, he was certainly at home painting or something. So in 1999, he wants to replicate the success of Twin Peaks. Okay, so he's back at ABC and he films a pilot for a tv show called mulholland drive, and they love it. Plus, yeah, plus, or plus, however you want to say it and they bought the rights to it. So they have this TV pilot that was shot on film. Because, remember, he doesn't do TV, it's not TV, it's David Lynch.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 8:And then they repackage it as a movie and add some additional scenes, including a whole different ending, so that becomes Mulholland Drive the movie.
Speaker 6:Awesome. Yeah, I can't really picture it as a TV show, really. Not really I mean it's such a. Tv show? Really Not really. I mean, it's such a perfect movie.
Speaker 8:It is a perfect movie, but I can easily picture it as a TV show in the sense that there's a lot of vignettes in it. Okay, so it sort of matches the quality of Twin Peaks. In that sense you could imagine that continuing every week and some of those characters like the cowboy Sure. It was released in 2001. And if you haven't seen it, I mean how do you even describe it? Pretty good. Yeah. It's a satirical neo-noir mystery set in La La Land.
Speaker 7:What more could you want?
Speaker 8:That's.
Speaker 6:Hollywood, that's.
Speaker 8:Hollywood baby and an early big role from naomi watts and put her on the map. And then laura herring was the other star of it. They played betty and rita. Laura herring doesn't remember who she is in it. She got into some sort of car accident and encounters naomi watts, who has just moved to la, with stars in her eyes and she wants to become an actress. So she says oh, come live with me and it's about their adventures.
Speaker 6:Nothing bad can happen now. No, I'm the roommate in Los Angeles.
Speaker 8:Nothing bad could happen, kato there we go, we got another OJ connection. Perhaps he was all over Lynch movies, perhaps.
Speaker 8:Cutting his way in this podcast and the best way I can describe the meaning of mulholland drive which lynch would have told me I was wrong he's stripping away the bright sheen of hollywood and exploring the darkness within the industry and how the dream is far from the reality. Oftentimes it becomes a nightmare Because there's a lot of casting couch stuff in it and being chewed up and spit out Spit on Uncomfortable scenes. So this is considered his greatest film. Most people agree on that and I would say watch this before Lost Highway yes, agree on that. And I would say watch this before lost highway.
Speaker 8:Yes, like this, this is the one where you, you, you will either get lynch or you won't, but this is your best shot because this is masterful. Yeah, there's not a wrong frame in it. Yeah, and he won the best director at can and got another oscar nomination for best director. Robert altman was also nominated that year for Gosford Park, and they both lost to the guy from Happy Days. For what movie? Ron Howard? A Beautiful Mind, oh, a Beautiful Mind. That made me so mad at the time.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I thought that movie was boring, but that's just me, yeah.
Speaker 8:It was okay, but come on.
Speaker 6:Guy didn't look so smart, but then he turned out to be smart.
Speaker 7:Yeah, he's got triangles in his head Floating around with numbers and stuff. Right, you think you're better than me?
Speaker 8:And Mulholland Drive. This is one of those DVDs I excitedly bought at Sam Goody oh man, sam Goody and I would pass this around to my friends and they had to see this. I had to make sure everybody was exposed to David Lynch. And there's an interesting thing I noticed on the DVD menu no chapters. Oh, because Lynch thought you should watch the entire movie in one sitting or you won't have experienced it.
Speaker 6:That checks out. It's a movie, yeah.
Speaker 8:It doesn't lend itself to. Hey, can you pause this. I'm going to go get the popcorn.
Speaker 6:I think that plays on my. I don't see it as a TV series idea. Oh, maybe.
Speaker 8:Does anyone else see it as a TV series too?
Speaker 6:Or is that just me? I think it's above television?
Speaker 8:That certainly is it's above film, if you ask me. Yes, I mean transcends the genre.
Speaker 6:You do wonder if he had a bunch of executives television executives muddling every week, what that thing would have turned into. Oh no, it wouldn't.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it would have been the same ending as Twin Peaks. But yeah, certainly, whether it was TV or movie, he certainly rises above the medium, I think. So after that he's done it all you know, he finally got his magnum opus out there. Finally everyone understands him. He unofficially retires from mainstream filmmaking, and so I found this clip from his appearance on the Tonight Show. Leno asks him what he does in his free time.
Speaker 6:Yeah. I was going to say. How does one unofficially retire? Let's find out.
Speaker 9:Hey, let's find out. You heard about this, Now what do?
Speaker 11:you do in your free time. Wow, what do you do? Do you have?
Speaker 8:some time off.
Speaker 11:I don't I like to work, Jay, Do you whittle? What do you do? Well, many things, but it's not exactly work. It's painting and still photography, and you know I'm working on the internet. And what was your last vacation?
Speaker 9:What the hell's a vacation?
Speaker 11:I don't know. You don't seem like a beach guy. No, I don't go to the beach. You don't seem like a warm climate guy you go to the beach. No, I went to the beach in 73.
Speaker 8:Right, oh God a bit.
Speaker 5:I went to the nude beach, I was flying a kite and this girl says are you a comedian? And I never went back, Hello.
Speaker 8:And he got recognized at the nude beach. He had that ready. Yeah, gotcha, can I?
Speaker 11:say, judy, where's Judy? Sure, she's a friend. Hello, judy. Now who's? Judy what does she do? She's just a friend.
Speaker 8:Just a friend. Now you see it's so. I mean, is it an open-ended friend? Open-ended, open-ended that was a reference to when he was telling Jay that Mulholland started out as a TV show, that it was left open-ended before it was a movie.
Speaker 7:Then all I could picture is a woman bending over with her asshole.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it kind of worked and if you'll recall what was his favorite movie, his favorite movie, yeah, jay leno's. No, no, david lynch.
Speaker 7:Oh, jay leno's, I have no idea. We talked about it before last week.
Speaker 8:Ah shit, I don't remember the wizard of oz. Oh, that's right. So he says there I'd like to say hi to judy, that's judy, garland, he's referring to. That's so bizarre, yeah he lays little easter eggs in his leno interviews too, jud Judy.
Speaker 6:Okay, why is he creepier than all the movies?
Speaker 7:Yeah, it's toned down you talking about Leno?
Speaker 8:Yeah, basically.
Speaker 7:Shannon wants to know about the blue box and what that means. It could have many meanings, but I think there is.
Speaker 8:I think maybe that's the MacGuffin that every actress or actor is trying to get in Hollywood. How's that? That's pretty good. What's a MacGuffin? That's the thing in a movie that drives the plot. It's called the.
Speaker 6:MacGuffin yeah, the Holy Grail in the Indiana Jones movie, that's the MacGuffin, sounds like someone who scored three touchdowns in a high school game who doesn't shut up about it we. That's the MacGuffin Sounds like someone who scored three touchdowns in a high school game, who doesn't shut up about it. We get it. Macguffin, you were good once.
Speaker 8:Sounds like a McDonald's breakfast sandwich.
Speaker 6:Oh, that is good.
Speaker 7:It's also what every AMC theater calls the bar at their locations MacGuffin's.
Speaker 8:Bar. Okay, and now you know why. Yes, interesting.
Speaker 7:Learning a lot, but I think once she opens it, things change, mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 8:So are you saying once she gets there, that's when, once she becomes an actress in Hollywood, that's when it goes really dark, that's when it all goes down? Okay, mm-hmm, I believe it. You hear that. Yeah, I believe it. The only thing missing from Mulholland Drive is Robert Blake. Yeah, so he didn't even cast him. No, not in that one, even though he does reuse a lot of actors. That one, though, curiously, doesn't really have a lot of crossover from Twin Peaks. There's no Kyle MacLachlan, right, but there is a freaky looking homeless dude oh cool, played by a woman. Okay, you'll know what I'm talking about if you watch it. Alright, so he's hanging out now. He's not going to the beach. Maybe he's seeing Judy who knows, who knows Judy Tanuta? He creates a website aptly named DavidLynchcom Very nice In the early 2000s and there he would showcase a ton of experimental short films. He was always either painting or making a short film or writing something.
Speaker 6:So he is staying super busy.
Speaker 8:Yes, except just not in the sense of you know mainstream credits at this point. He's not in the sense of you know mainstream credits at this point, because after he's done the hollywood system?
Speaker 8:not not at all, because after mulholland drive was like what do you do next? How about nothing? And then there was another project where he would call in these daily weather reports to la radio station indy 103.1 I love it. And when that ran dry he would post them on his website and it consisted of him saying hello, today there is a light breeze and it's partly sunny, 72 degrees. Have a beautiful day that's hilarious.
Speaker 6:Yeah, can he be my like? Uh, uh, what the guide, my uh, mac quest guide. Yeah, that would be awesome, awesome take a right oops, I mean left. Why do you always bring me to Mulholland Drive? Oh God, I'm trying to go to Ralph's damn it.
Speaker 8:Park next to that naked woman with the red hair and the bloody mouth.
Speaker 6:I haven't eaten in weeks. I need to go to Ralph's.
Speaker 8:Why am I at Winchell's? Yeah, exactly 4 am.
Speaker 7:Any place can be Ralph's.
Speaker 8:So that brings us to Inland Empire, a movie. I guess he labeled it a movie, but it's not exactly a normal movie. It's also a part of California, it is. And that's where he heard Laura Dern, friend and frequent collaborator. She was in Blue Velvet. He heard her saying something about driving in the Inland Empire and, ta-da, that was his next idea.
Speaker 6:There it is, and I've been there many times. It's a loose term when it comes to empire, oh for sure. It's a lot of malls, a lot of malls.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I guess he had a fascination with just the what do you call it? The greater LA area. Sure, he was isolated in his bubble in Hollywood, mm-hmm. But who's living? What's going on out there?
Speaker 6:Yeah, temecula, my favorite place in California so far.
Speaker 8:Really Temecula. Oh okay, great, interesting, beautiful town. No one really says that about Upland, you know or like Walnut Right, these places that are a little more east.
Speaker 6:Walnut.
Speaker 8:California. Well, there's just so many places you didn't even realize existed here. Yeah, especially in the Bay Area, like it just expands and expands.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 8:Endeavorants, random cities, you know so anyway. Inland random cities, you know so anyway. Inland empire this was a movie that he it, it's like, not, it's not um released in the studio system and it's a culmination of all the short films he'd been working on. So it even includes like stuff that he had started as a short film and put in this movie. So, again, I wouldn't recommend this as your first exposure to David Lynch, because it's over three hours, oh wow, very challenging to watch. It doesn't have the look of Mulholland Drive because it was shot mainly on digital video, so it's missing that beauty that all his other movies had. Yeah, so it's pretty that like beauty that all his other movies had. So it's pretty disjointed but interesting experiment, I guess you could say. And, kyle, do you want to read this excerpt from the Badger Herald? Okay, because the way David Lynch presented this like this did not play at AMC.
Speaker 7:Is the Badger Herald from Wisconsin? Yes, okay, so this did not play at AMC. Is the Badger Herald from Wisconsin? Yes, okay.
Speaker 8:So this did not play at AMC. You didn't go to McGuffin's beforehand. No, this is the local college paper, maybe, okay.
Speaker 7:Did you write this?
Speaker 8:So yeah, so.
Speaker 6:Is this your personal?
Speaker 8:review Inland Empire. It's not playing next to Scary Movie 4.
Speaker 7:You know what I mean.
Speaker 6:All seven.
Speaker 8:David Lynch personally took this movie around the country like a tour, and so one of the stops he made was in Chicago. Okay, and he introduced it. So, kyle, do you want to read?
Speaker 7:this, it was in Chicago, and then the Badger Herald picked up on it.
Speaker 8:This is the Badger.
Speaker 7:Herald's account of that night, a place you were going in 2007. I don't know.
Speaker 6:Interesting. It's not about me, Kyle. This review is not yours. It's not a review.
Speaker 8:It's kind of like a description of that evening Okay.
Speaker 7:On January 27th, David Lynch presented Inland Empire at the Music Box Theater in Chicago. At around half past midnight he strolled onto the stage and stood in front of a bright red curtain an image right out of Twin Peaks. After a standing ovation, the gracious host told his adoring fans that quote by the time the film is over, it will be time for breakfast. He proceeded to set the mood, employing an organist to play a short improvisational melody reminiscent of the ominous scores by longtime collaborator Angelo Badalamenti. Over the music, Lynch read off a series of non sequiturs written on crumpled papers. We are the weavers of our dreams. Then the film started. The audience was fully engaged and ready for a fun ride, but 3 30 am, the energy had drained. People walked out of the theater into the frigid, wintry darkness, wondering what they had just seen so is it bad or is it good, or what is the yes?
Speaker 8:yes, there you go.
Speaker 6:Kyle figured it out oh my god, that's hilarious.
Speaker 8:Yeah, so that was written by someone named Alejandro.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yes, nice.
Speaker 8:Published baby. I was so excited too. That's awesome. I'm like nobody's writing about this. No, wow, you got into the Badger Herald. Yeah, and you know how we talked about how we had both seen George Carlin at the Pabst. It's one of those you're like gosh, I'm glad I made it to that. That's awesome Before he died, right, like just, you're glad that you were in the presence of George Carlin. Yeah.
Speaker 8:I feel that way about this evening and being in the same room as David Lynch. That's awesome, getting his essence, his aura. Yeah, yeah, he's a vibe. Huh, yeah, he is.
Speaker 6:Yeah, that I was like so excited that night and made it happen. I describe yourself.
Speaker 7:I kind of like david lynch's yeah, yeah, and it was like bugs and mud holes basically no, no, I don't kill them.
Speaker 6:I don't kill them no only if they're dead for some reason.
Speaker 8:There's a lot of dead bugs around me and I couldn't have been more excited to be there, you know, and it was freezing that night, so it took a lot of effort even to get out of the apartment, yeah, but oh my god, by 2 30 I wanted to die.
Speaker 7:So my movie just end, even as a huge fan. Oh yeah, exactly so what does that you Imagine? If you were dragged there by someone like they were the fan and you weren't Right, I want to kill myself yeah.
Speaker 8:And you probably beforehand, the fan would be like oh, you're going to love this movie Because remember Mulholland Drive Wasn't that great. Well, this was not Mulholland Drive. Thank you very much. Did it make any sense at all? No, none whatsoever. Even less sense than Mulholland Drive. It makes Mulholland Drive look like singing in the rain, wow. So, anyway, you know, enter at your own risk. Yeah, but might you throw it on while you're doing the dishes or cutting your toenails? Sure, yeah, why not?
Speaker 7:Taking a dump.
Speaker 6:Yeah, whatever, whatever you might be doing.
Speaker 8:Keep going, sure, taking a dump, yeah, whatever, whatever you might be doing, keep going here. What else could you be doing? Oh, you know. All right. So the other thing that, besides making really long weird movies and presenting it to me personally in the midwest, he's also getting more and more into transcendental meditation. He's spreading the, spreading the word, and in 2005 he launched the david lynch foundation for conscious based education and peace god, it sounds like clockwork.
Speaker 8:Orange is about to take place it sounds like a joke when it did. At the time, I remember hearing about his endeavor and I'm like, is this for, or is this part of his next movie? Like he meditates? Like it didn't make any sense. Of course it does now, because if you think about it it makes perfect sense, cause that's David Lynch, you know, like he was all about that, like just you know, like being one with the universe and letting the dreams talk to you, you know, yeah, so the David Lynch Foundation.
Speaker 8:The goal was to promote or it's still around, actually so to promote and fund the teaching of meditation in schools. And then later it expanded its focus to include more at-risk populations like vets and the homeless Nice so, and the homeless, nice so. And prison inmates. And about TM, as it's called, lynch says it's like a donut Quote you never know how sweet it is until you try it. All right, and here's a clip from a documentary called Meditation, creativity, peace, which captured one of his speeches that he gave while doing this big world tour to promote TM. Awesome, and really listen to this clip here because very wise words.
Speaker 11:Negativity is just like darkness. And so you look at darkness and you say, wait a minute, darkness isn't really anything, it's the absence of something. So it doesn't matter how dark the night has been, when the sun comes up, automatically, without trying, the sunlight removes the darkness. Sunlight doesn't remove negativity. But this light of unity removes negativity, just like sunlight removes darkness. Negativity is just the absence of that all-powerful bliss and all-powerful love, all-powerful energy, dynamic, peace, harmony, coherence. You enliven that and negativity lifts away. It can't live in that light.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 8:Yeah, very good. Yeah, isn't that deep Mm-hmm? So you know, listening to him it's like he's completely earnest. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You know like, Know what you know like. You know what I mean. You know what I mean burn. I would have loved to see them collaborate on something like earnest goes to hollywood, get again. Transcendental meditation I mean eggs erroneous, and yeah, so I added yet another layer to David Lynch's mystique.
Speaker 6:Yeah, very motivating.
Speaker 8:And so, with the goal of teaching TM to a million high-risk youths, the foundation sponsored a 2009 Change Begins Within benefit concert held at Radio City Music Hall, and it was hosted by Lynch and Laura Dern, and the speakers and performers included Sir Paul McCartney, ringo Starr Is he a sir?
Speaker 6:I'm not sure. All I know is he has never had pizza. I learned that this morning. What yeah, Ringo Starr said he never had pizza and then it's been confirmed, but he did those commercials in the 90s for Pizza Hut.
Speaker 8:Remember Crust first.
Speaker 7:What yeah?
Speaker 8:When they were promoting the stuffed crust.
Speaker 6:I'm starting to think. You can't believe what all these Hollywood actors or musicians are selling.
Speaker 8:I just find it weird to do a pizza commercial when you had never eaten pizza. That's what he says. But now okay, if you have evidence that he did so. Other performers and speakers Donovan, who I saw at Summerfest once.
Speaker 6:Oh, summerfest in Milwaukee Great time. I saw Louis Black there and I hunted him down for like a mile and I'm like I love your work, because he was eating a hot dog.
Speaker 8:I tried to do that with Donovan, but he was also eating a hot dog, was he really? I don't know, everyone's eating hot dogs at the Summerfest.
Speaker 6:I'm telling you it's a great place, or turkey legs. Turkey legs are big also.
Speaker 8:Cheryl Crowe was also there. Jerry Seinfeld, what's the deal with TM? Do you transcend?
Speaker 7:Change comes from within Very good.
Speaker 8:And Howard Stern, if you can believe it, he is a very famous proponent for TM. Really, yeah, yeah, I don't know what happened to.
Speaker 6:Howard Stern.
Speaker 7:Oh God, I'd like to fuck that gong.
Speaker 6:Yep, the man who brought us anal butt ring talk. You should sit down and harbinger morality.
Speaker 7:All of a sudden, have some thoughts to yourself, down and harbinger morality all of a sudden. Have some thoughts to yourself.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that's probably where he got all his ideas from, maybe Meditating.
Speaker 7:Assholes Cornhole, have this guy fart on command into a microphone. Please do it. This is brilliant.
Speaker 8:It's just wrong have father-daughter play game. Yes so yeah, he got a lot of big people involved there and they've had multiple benefit concerts through the years.
Speaker 6:That would have been awesome to go see.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I was in New.
Speaker 6:York. At that time too, I could have gone. You should have gone. I was too Fuck I was dead broke.
Speaker 8:Oh, come on, I managed to get to Inland Empire in Chicago. Wow, you two could have gotten there. We could have Jeez, and then you could have written about it in the Badger Herald. I know, fucking loser, if you were cool. No, to date, the David Lynch Foundation has taught more than a million people to meditate and they've implemented meditation programs in schools and hospitals Great, all over this fine planet of ours. I love that. So let's get into his later career. Lynch wasn't making movies anymore. So what was he doing when he wasn't painting? Taking gigs as an actor, oh, I love it. So he played tv producer jack doll on louis.
Speaker 6:Wow, yes, louis, I watched louis um regularly, and then it would get me a little depressed, though, really I don't know why too real yeah maybe too real after like four episodes, four episodes row. I was like I'm feeling down.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it did sort of switch tones A little bit. Yeah, whereas it'd be funny and then sometimes just depressing.
Speaker 6:Really sad yeah.
Speaker 8:So he also played the bartender on the Cleveland Show.
Speaker 6:Oh yes, that's right.
Speaker 8:And he voiced himself on Family Guy Wow, so let's listen to that. We now return to how David Lynch Stole Christmas.
Speaker 11:Hello, I got you a present. It's a thumb. Don't look away. Let the fear wash over you. I don't understand. That's the whole point. Did you leave a plate of black coffee out for me? No, in the future, please leave a plate of black coffee out for me, also in the past.
Speaker 6:That's hilarious.
Speaker 7:A plate yeah.
Speaker 6:Love is going to lap it up like a cat. Yeah, that's hilarious a plate.
Speaker 8:yeah, love is gonna lap it up like a cat so david lynch now is a beloved icon and he is just in the culture. Isn't that interesting. Like there's few directors you can truly say that become an adjective lynchian, yeah, anytime. Something's kind of weird in a movie like oh, that's, that's like david lynch meets die hard. Yeah, lynch did it right?
Speaker 6:I guess tarantino to some degree, right? Yeah?
Speaker 8:yeah and so, uh, we were talking about. You know how twin peaks became a pop culture sensation, so I thought right now it'd be fun to look at a couple examples of him being parodied Awesome. So this is a clip from the Simpsons Beautiful, who shot Mr Burns episode?
Speaker 7:Oh god, so good. You had to wait so long to find out who did it, the whole summer. That was infuriating.
Speaker 3:Now eat the cheese we got. Now eat the food. This here burns better, you know.
Speaker 9:Huh. Better. You know, Burns suit. I'm not following you. Look at Burns' suit Ha ha ha.
Speaker 6:I had an idea, Chief how do we check out that suit Burns was wearing when he got shot? Did you have the same backwards talking dream with the flaming?
Speaker 11:cart I'll drive Ha idea. Chief, how do we check out that suit Burns was wearing when he got shot? Did you have the same backwards?
Speaker 10:talking dream with the flaming cart.
Speaker 11:I'll drive.
Speaker 8:And I thought that was funny as a kid Little did I know I had no idea that it's a spot on spoof of Twin Peaks. And so the next one is a clip from Jiminy Glick's movie oh man.
Speaker 6:I love Jiminy Glick.
Speaker 8:Jiminy Glick in Lala Wood. He's so good and he plays both Jiminy and David Lynch. Excuse me.
Speaker 9:Do you work for the hotel?
Speaker 5:No, I'm David Lynch. I am a director, well, who isn't here? And I bet you have a treat. As a matter of fact, I do. I like the idea of a dark road, for I know that darkness is like a magnet To madness. The story I'm creating is a mystery dipped and drowning in despair. It involves a small-time celebrity interviewer. I would kill to hear the rest of it, but they're doing a retrospective on Joey Travolta, on E, on the Siblings of Celebrity series, and I'm going to buggy whip myself by Miss One.
Speaker 9:Frame. Okie dokie.
Speaker 6:That's incredible. Okie dokie Jiminy Glick is one of the funniest characters ever.
Speaker 8:Talk about another national treasure.
Speaker 7:We've talked about him a lot on this show.
Speaker 8:And Martin Short gave us Jiminy Glick and Clifford Clifford and Pure Luck Right.
Speaker 6:Remember that movie with Donald Glover, danny. Glover. Danny Glover, Not Donald Glover who opened his shit. I've met a couple of times Very talented yeah with the bee sting. Oh it's the funniest thing you know what that's crazy.
Speaker 8:You mentioned that true trivia here. Fact is that movie inspired jiminy glick because when he gets stung by the bee, the makeup, the fat makeup. He. That's when he got the idea to be a fat character that's hilarious.
Speaker 8:Yeah, wow, it all comes together, it all does. And that brings us to 2017, when David Lynch unleashed Twin Peaks, the Return. So this was huge because, sure, there was Inland Empire, but really you haven't seen a real movie from this guy since Mulholland Drive in 2001. Wow, like the Twin Towers were still standing when people first saw Mulholland Drive, wow. And so now we have David Lynch and Mark Frost coming together again.
Speaker 8:They pitched the new series to Showtime by showing them just the first two hours of the script and they had a bunch of notes. And so it was originally supposed to be nine episodes, but it later doubled to 18 episodes. Wow. And they viewed it as one long movie. And what a movie it is. Wow it is. It's as challenging as Inland Empire and Lost Highway Wow, highway.
Speaker 8:And makes even less sense than the original Twin Peaks, and yet it still has some of his best work in it. Wow, because even if you're not vibing, as you like to say, with the entire thing, you will certainly find little vignettes or episodes that you enjoy. Yeah, and, of course, an outstanding cast and the whole works. You know directing the music, the writing, right. So, again, I cannot recommend this to just the layman, like if you want an intro to David Lynch, but if you're already on board. Like obviously it's amazing. 39 actors from the original series returned and David Bowie, who played Agent Jeffries in the movie Fire Walk With Me, was all set to reprise his role but died before it could happen Because he died in very early 2016. That was a sad one. Oh, that was. I hated that one. There were ones like we talked about that just sting.
Speaker 6:I watched Labyrinth that day.
Speaker 8:Really yeah, that's an amazing magic dance, magic dance.
Speaker 6:He's awesome, david Bowie's phenomenal.
Speaker 8:That's legit. One of my favorite Bowie songs too. Is that cool it's fine, you're allowed it.
Speaker 6:I'm not sure what other people Not cool. Fine, he did a lot of dance. He had some dance moments in his life.
Speaker 8:He did, but not in the new Twin Peaks series. And we have Kathryn Coulson Returning as the Log Lady. Remember, she was married to Jack Nance at one point and unfortunately, she died during production. Oh, but she had cancer. Everyone knew her time was limited, so Lynch filmed her in 2015, before she died, way before the series premiered. That was probably one of the first things that he shot, so she was able to appear in multiple scenes and multiple episodes. And then we have Miguel Ferrer, who played Agent Rosenfeld, the kind of sarcastic FBI agent, and he died after production, but before the broadcast, wow, yeah.
Speaker 8:And this guy, like you've seen him in a million things. He's in one of my favorite movies hot shots, part duh and he was in the movie traffic. I believe he was on ncis yeah, in his final years, or one of those, one of those shows like csis. And, uh, great, great actor, george Clooney's cousin as well. Oh, wow, yeah. And then Harry Dean Stanton, who plays the manager of the Fat Trout Trailer Park, died shortly after the final episode aired, after a long storied career. After the final episode aired, after a long storied career According to David Lynch oh, yeah, actually. Here's a quote from David Lynch about this project On the first Twin Peaks. Doing TV was like going from a mansion to a hut. But the art houses are gone now, so cable television is a godsend. They're the new art houses, wow so he had a total flip on television.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and he considers this the best experience of his career.
Speaker 7:That's fantastic 2017? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 8:Wow, yeah, and the Calle du Cinema chose this as the best film of the decade, even though it's a TV series. That's amazing. That's what I'm saying. He transcends the medium. It doesn't matter, this is a art. Yeah, um, yeah, by all accounts, it was very well received, obviously, uh, it's confounding and it's it's uh, really abstract.
Speaker 6:I think it's really abstract. I think it's very fun not to overthink it.
Speaker 8:Exactly, you just have to experience it.
Speaker 6:Experience it and sit in it. It's a good. It's just I don't know. It's fun.
Speaker 8:Oh, absolutely. Yeah, you know I'm explaining him too much. Like obviously most people are just like oh yeah, it's great Because you got Matthew Lillard in there too.
Speaker 6:I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened In the series. Yeah, in Twin Peaks, the Return.
Speaker 8:Yeah, but you watched?
Speaker 6:it? Yeah, I watched it Exactly. I still don't know.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it doesn't matter at all. Yeah, and yet there's a million videos on YouTube explaining what happened.
Speaker 6:Yeah, and they, which is perfect, they're all wrong. They're all right, right, exactly.
Speaker 8:So that's cool. That's what you call going out with a bang. Yeah, because it brought him right into his twilight years, and I'm not talking about the hit franchise.
Speaker 10:I literally mean his twilight years.
Speaker 8:Okay. So he slowed down after the Twin Peaks revival, but continued to paint and smoke.
Speaker 6:Okay, I'm happy he didn't give up smoking, yeah.
Speaker 8:Well, so I told you about that documentary, Lynch slash Oz, that explored how the Wizard of Oz is in every one of his movies. Well, here's a little snippet where they're talking about his view of smoking.
Speaker 2:I think the only things in life for him that don't have an evil doppelganger are probably coffee and meditation Coffee. Even cigarettes in Wild at Heart are this constant threat, and everybody knows David Lynch loves cigarettes.
Speaker 8:And here's a clip from Twin Peaks the return of him acting in it Whoa, he takes a drag, whoa.
Speaker 6:So he loves cigarettes yeah.
Speaker 9:All right.
Speaker 8:Oh, and what was his? Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that he plays agent cole in the twin peaks series and he did in the original and he did in the revival whoa and he's a well, he says whoa really loud because he's hard of hearing. So he has these ridiculous hearing aids and he talks like this because he can't hear anything. It's so funny and everyone the first time around in the original series. Like, wow, like david lynch is acting here.
Speaker 7:Yeah, like you just didn't expect to see him in his movie suddenly so he's got the second variation of the whoa catchphrase, because joey lawrence had whoa whoa oh yeah, that's true, he brought back whoa, and didn't matt leblanc have some sort of rip off of whoa?
Speaker 6:maybe like whoa yeah, maybe there was a little woe in friends.
Speaker 8:Yeah woe is me. We don't move on to the next part. You know what I mean? Yeah, so I wanted to take a second to talk about his multiple marriages. So, speaking of his acting career, he did do a random movie in the late 80s with isabella rossolini, who starred in blue velvet, and then they also dated okay whoa afterwards, while he was still married oh, controversial yeah so he was married four times, even though marriage probably wasn't for him, yeah, so he probably.
Speaker 7:I think it's definitively proven not to be for him yeah, when you cheat on every single one of your wife yeah, I guess that's very good evidence.
Speaker 6:Can you imagine him, though, just explaining like what is cheating? Yeah, he would just be so inferior He'd be like just get out of here David. Leave. I know you fucked another. Just go. There's no deeper meaning to this.
Speaker 8:Or when it came time to read his vows at the ceremony. Oh my Lord, the wind is all around us, Like David. It's been an hour, Can you get on with it?
Speaker 7:You take her to be your wife and he goes sure For now, Till I change my mind.
Speaker 8:So he wrote this autobiography called Room to Dream, and this is where he admitted that he cheated on all his wives. So quote his first wife was Peggy, who he divorced during the making of Eraserhead. So quote one day, peggy told me that she was pregnant, and one thing led to another, and we got married. The only thing I remember about our wedding is that Jack Nance wore a taxi cab driver shirt to it. I loved Peggy, but I don't know that we would have gotten married if she hadn't been pregnant, because marriage doesn't fit into the art life. You'd never know. I think that, though, because I've been married four times.
Speaker 7:I love how he says one thing led to another and we got married. That's never been how that sentence ends, so I was like one thing led to another and went naked in the backseat of the car.
Speaker 6:No Romantic, that's pure romance. Yeah, one thing led to another. We got married.
Speaker 8:Well, like his movies, he did it backwards. They had the kid first. Yeah, so after Peggy he married his best friend's sister, mary Fisk, sister to Jack Fisk, who funded Eraserhead and is married to Sissy Spacek, ah yes. And then Lynch moved on to longtime collaborator Mary Sweeney. By the way, when he was with Mary Fisk, that's when he cheated with Isabella Rossellini.
Speaker 10:Oh, okay.
Speaker 8:So then he moved on to longtime collaborator Mary Sweeney. Among other things, she edited Twin Peaks, she produced Lost Highway, she wrote the script for the Straight Story.
Speaker 6:And you're saving money. You got two Marys in there. The his and hers towels can stay.
Speaker 8:Yeah, the thing with Mary and Judy Interesting. And so him and Sweeney dated for nearly 20 years before finally tying the knot in 2006. And then they divorced in 2007.
Speaker 6:Sometimes just date. Yeah, exactly, some people are great with just dating.
Speaker 8:That's incredible to date for 20 years and be married for one year. We tried things out. It didn't work.
Speaker 6:That joke Chris Rock made about Nelson Mandela's wife. They got divorced after he left prison. I liked you from afar, but, nelson, you're annoying as hell, right.
Speaker 8:Then he married actress Emily Stoffel in 2009.
Speaker 6:Or Stoffle, however you pronounce that, stoffel, we're in America. It was Stoffel. We make everything sound like it's just about to be stuffed. It is.
Speaker 8:Stoffle, so their union lasted an eternity for Hollywood Finally fizzling out in 2023 when she filed for divorce. So how long is that that's like? 14 years 14 years, yeah, and that's eternity for him too. Yeah, that's not so bad, because him and Mary Sweeney only had not even a year, right? You know, maybe she saw Inland Empire and it just destroyed it for her it could have been.
Speaker 6:Yeah, this is what you were working on the whole time. It's like the end of the Shining when she finally reads the book. Yeah, this is trash. You abandon your family 19 hours a day for this movie.
Speaker 8:Yeah, so they had one child together, named Lula, in 2012. And she was named after Laura Dern's character in Wild at Heart.
Speaker 6:Oh, very cute.
Speaker 8:And during the divorce, Emily requested full custody.
Speaker 6:I'm sure David wasn't super upset.
Speaker 8:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Maybe he was.
Speaker 8:His kids said he was not a traditional dad.
Speaker 7:He doesn't strike me as a guy that catches feelings.
Speaker 8:In a traditional sense he catches ideas, yeah, not feelings. I don't want to see him pontificate over a dirty diaper Just change it, David. Look, David, they don't like the mud hole.
Speaker 6:Stop making them go into it. I dug it for them.
Speaker 8:It's like clay. Just feel it between your fingers. Dad, I'm going to go play Nintendo now.
Speaker 6:Can I just play football like every other kid. Please, why would you want to do that?
Speaker 8:So he ended up having one kid with each wife. With Peggy, he had Jennifer Lynch, who became a filmmaker herself, okay, and her big movie was Boxing Helena, which was very controversial. I don't know, google it, okay, it's the one where Kim Basinger was set to star in it, then dropped out and had to pay millions of dollars for breaking the contract. Oh, wow, why did she drop out? Because the movie is crazy. It's about a guy that kidnaps this woman he's obsessed with and then and then cuts off her limbs and puts her in a box. Oh, I've seen that now. The title Boxing Helena.
Speaker 6:Oh my God, yeah, that's her at the end of the film there, really, yeah, so that's not nice. No, beautiful actress.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that's Sherilyn Fenn from Twin Peaks. Yes, so yeah. There's Jennifer.
Speaker 6:Lynch oh 56 now good for her.
Speaker 8:And then he had a son named austin with mary fisk, and then he had a son named riley with mary sweeney I will say she looks just like him, jennifer oh yeah, and then the sons. They have done their own art projects through the years and David Lynch would work on those with them, so they definitely bonded over their love of experimental film and art.
Speaker 6:I think he'd be a great father to adult children.
Speaker 8:Oh, yes, exactly so. Yeah, they all loved him to death. So it just yeah, he wasn't. Obviously it wasn't the conventional. Leave it to Beaver. Well, thank God, you don't want to see, wasn't the conventional? Leave it to beaver.
Speaker 6:Well, thank God, you don't want to see the deleted scenes of leave it to beaver. A lot of abuse.
Speaker 8:Leave it to the mud hole. And speaking of mud holes, let's get to the pandemic. Oh boy, yeah. So the endless chain of cigarettes finally caught up with him and, in 2020, lynch was diagnosed with emphysema, which uh, you know, it's a chronic lung condition that you can't breathe right that sucks horrifying also known as copd uh, caused by lifetime of smoking and we covered this on okay bud.
Speaker 6:They also say he was slightly dehydrated.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that was one of the causes he was parched.
Speaker 8:Yeah, so he was a little thirsty at the end too. Yeah, you just get him a Gatorade.
Speaker 6:What are we talking? About here Could have saved his whole life.
Speaker 7:His blood is coffee, truly.
Speaker 8:Coffee and cigarettes. They say that life imitates art, so let's see this scene from the straight story. Oh boy, when the doctor is talking to Alvin straight before his lawnmower ride, yes, and hear that you smoke.
Speaker 2:My guess is you're in the early stages of emphysema and, alvin, you have circulation problems and I'm worried about your diet. If you don't make some changes quickly, there will be some serious consequences.
Speaker 7:Damn Wow. And he's telling it to a guy who already heard that.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that's crazy Right, and that was true. And did he make those changes? Yes, no.
Speaker 6:No, but he did make the change to stop drinking.
Speaker 8:Yeah, that was many years before that, but he didn't stop smoking until two years after he was diagnosed, until the moment where he could not physically move without gasping for air. Oh, that sucks, yeah. Despite that, though, during the pandemic, he relaunched his daily weather report, and the last one was posted in December 2022. And why don't we take a listen? Let's do it.
Speaker 9:Good morning. It's December 16, 2022. And, if you can believe it, it's a Friday once again here in LA a cloudy morning, quite a breeze blowing right now 50 degrees Fahrenheit, 10 Celsius. Today I was thinking about the song the World Spins and I believe it was mine and Angelo and Julie's favorite song we did together and Angelo and Julie's favorite song we did together and I think it's from the year 1987, maybe 86, 87, somewhere in there this afternoon it'll be going up to 68 degrees Fahrenheit, that's 20 Celsius, and it looks like partly cloudy all along the way.
Speaker 6:Everyone have a great day, partly cloudy, with a chance of meatballs for it. Hey, you can hear him struggling.
Speaker 8:Yeah, it sounds partly cloudy in his lungs, oh jeez so funny though I know, and I know and so upbeat still. And there's also some poignancy there, because he mentions Julie Cruz, the singer from Twin Peaks, and Angelo Badalamenti, his longtime collaborator as a composer, like some of the best music in cinema, if you ask me, the scores he created. Well, both julie and angelo died in 2022, so they were already gone when he filmed this last weather report, wow, and another, in fact, actually 2022. A lot of people from Twin Peaks died, coincidentally, yeah, including Julie Cruz, angelo Badalamenti, david Warner, al Strobel, lenny Van Dolan and Kenneth Walsh All actors from Twin Peaks, wow.
Speaker 6:Yeah, they got lucky not to see the shit show that was oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, they got lucky not to see the shit show that was oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 8:Another final thing in 2022 was his last on-screen movie appearance. He played director John Ford in Steven Spielberg's the Fablemans Hmm, Spielberg, See, they are Jewish in that one. Yes, they are. And of David Lynch's casting, Steven Spielberg said it was one of his heroes playing one of his heroes. Okay, so Kyle isn't that kind of nice. That's pretty cool, Is that John Ford?
Speaker 6:Wasn't he notoriously racist yeah? Did he make? Birth of a Nation or something.
Speaker 8:Was that John Ford? No, that was DW Griffith. What do I know?
Speaker 6:I'm not supposed to be smart on this show.
Speaker 8:He made the Searchers, okay. But yes, in some of his movies John Wayne is trying to kill Indians. Oh, wow, you take the good with the bad. Okay. And Steven Spielberg, you know, maybe has done some questionable things. We're not sure. Nothing confirmed.
Speaker 6:Well, if Kyle has it his way.
Speaker 8:Someone requested that Kyle go off on Spielberg again, so here you go, kyle, here's your mic.
Speaker 7:Innocent until proven guilty.
Speaker 6:Wow Listen to him Wow, that's gross, you should have heard the poltergeist episode.
Speaker 8:He's like Spielberg is a pedophile.
Speaker 7:He is a pedophile. He's coming down.
Speaker 8:He's going to be exposed. I actually regret encouraging him. Now the truth will come to light. Yeah, david Lynch hit an Easter egg in his cameo. Maybe Hit an Easter egg up his ass. Et doesn't like finger. So, starting in 2023, david Lynch was involuntarily homebound and he required a supplemental oxygen machine just to stand up. But he stayed optimistic and he even entertained the idea of directing a movie remotely one day. Might have been interesting, had it happened. Couldn't have been worse than Inland Empire, according to you.
Speaker 8:It looks like it was directed by a Zoom call. No, it's not a bad thing, it's cool Okay.
Speaker 6:You're fighting with yourself. Alejandro now is fighting with Alejandro, then.
Speaker 8:David Lynch vowed to never retire. In August 2024, he publicly revealed his condition emphysema, and a month later he made his final public appearance period via Zoom for the Meditate America Gala.
Speaker 4:And here's his speech Ladies and gentlemen, good evening. I hope you all are enjoying a wonderful night. I'd like to talk a little bit about nothing, and this nothing is the transcendent, it's the unified field. It's no hyphen thing, it's pure consciousness. Tonight you've probably heard a lot about consciousness is all there is, and I've heard many talks Maharishi would refer to, sometimes refer to this transcendent as nothing, but it has the potential for everything.
Speaker 7:I like that yeah it's beautiful Death he's talking about.
Speaker 8:Right, and that was right around the corner and he sounds okay in that one. Like the other one he sounded like Darth Vader, and this one he sounds like anakin skywalker right. So it's like maybe he thought he was getting better too.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so lynch opened up to people magazine of all of all things, such a basic magazine for him to do the tell all in a way it's fitting with the you know, the sort sort of the kitsch of Americana that he loved.
Speaker 8:Yeah, so he did an interview with them in November 2024. And he said what you sow is what you reap, and that his illness was a big price to pay for something that brought him so much joy, which was smoking. Quote. I don't regret it. It was important to me. I wish what every addict wishes for, that what we love is good for us. I never thought about it as glamorizing it. It was a part of life. Some characters would be smokers just like in real life, and while he didn't regret smoking, he hoped that other smokers could take him as an example. Quote. I really wanted to get this across. Think about it. You can quit these things that are going to end up killing you. I owe it to them and to myself to say that, yeah, wow.
Speaker 7:But he doesn't. He may not fully mean that. Because he admitted it, it brought him a lot of joy, yeah, so he understands that a lot of other people. It brings him a lot of joy too.
Speaker 8:And would he have created the same art without it? I don't think so. Who knows? No, in his final days, lynch could hardly walk across his bedroom. He described the feeling as having a plastic bag wrapped around his head. Oh Jesus, much like Laura Palmer. Yes, in January 2025, lynch was evacuated from his Hollywood home due to the wildfires. These events preceded a sharp decline in his health and sadly, he died from complications of emphysema at his daughter's home on January 16th, age 78. Wow.
Speaker 7:It's already been a month, mm-hmm, that's crazy.
Speaker 8:That is crazy, and what a way to go Like. That must have been so unsettling to see the land he loved possibly burning down. Everything got smoked up, mm-hmm, ooh Jeez. Just as much a nightmare as anything in his movies.
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 8:Absolutely.
Speaker 7:It was such a crazy day too, because he died the same day that Bob Euchre died, right oh yeah, that was Just a weird day.
Speaker 6:Two very different people, right, oh yeah, that was Just a weird day. Two very different people, yeah, two very Speaking of Americana. Bob Euchre and David Lynch represent two different sides of America.
Speaker 8:And personal for us. The Milwaukee Brewers, absolutely, and he's from Milwaukee Euchre. They're both American originals, american originals, and they both had a wicked sense of humor.
Speaker 6:So funny, just a bit outside.
Speaker 8:Yeah, so Lynch's family released a statement quote it is with deep regret that we his family, that's so formal, that we his family you guys are like don't make fun of them, what.
Speaker 6:What are they supposed to say?
Speaker 8:I don't know, I don't give a fuck, fuck dead isn't that isn't that a little stiff like yeah, we know you're the family, yeah, okay anyway, it's a press release I'm trying out a new bit anyway it's called blame the family making fun of mourning family.
Speaker 6:I'm seeing what's a little fancy and you losers.
Speaker 8:It's a good new bit I'm seeing what sticks like when you throw spaghetti at the wall yes. Yes, or four meatballs. Throw families in. Yes, all right, let's do this again. Statement from the family. It is with deep regret that we, his family, announce the passing of the man and the artist David Lynch. We would appreciate some privacy at this time. Who are these assholes that want?
Speaker 7:some privacy at this time.
Speaker 8:There's a big hole in the world now that he's no longer with us Absolutely. But, as he would say, keep your eye on the donut and not on the hole.
Speaker 6:I love that. I'm going to remember that. Keep your eye on the donut and not on the hole. I love that.
Speaker 8:And a death certificate from the LA County Department of Public Health revealed that Lynch died from cardiac arrest due to chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or dehydration.
Speaker 6:Oh, poor guy, A little bit of both. Yeah, almost parched.
Speaker 8:Oh my God. And now we've done it. We have completed the story of David Lynch. Wow, Unbelievable. And that brings us to Final Thoughts.
Speaker 6:What a life. It's an amazing. We're very blessed to have had him in our existence in our short time here on Earth. Yeah, david Lynch an icon. And I love not knowing. I love that he lets people sit in not knowing and that's the whole point and it's very fun and it's different than the MCU. Oh yeah, david Lynch is a true artist.
Speaker 8:And that's what makes his movies stand the test of time. Right, because they're not easy to define and they almost demand rewatching. And you certainly can rewatch them again and again, like when it's been a few years. I'll revisit Wild at Heart, or I can watch Twin Peaks all over again and find new things in it.
Speaker 6:So choose your own adventure in a way yeah, really, I think the log lady did it. Oh, just like Ted Bundy.
Speaker 7:Kyle, what are your thoughts? I mean, this was an amazing foray into the life and death of David Lynch and I'm actually sad that I haven't seen the majority of his work. So I'm definitely going to go back and watch Twin Peaks and report back to you guys and everybody else what part I'm at and where the hell my brain is at.
Speaker 6:I thought Laura Palmer was pretty hot. The review from Kyle Ploof is in. Yeah, she's kind of a babe. I went to kill her yeah.
Speaker 7:I studied Mulholland Drive in college and Lost Highway. I saw from you recently so I was kind of familiar with his work but you didn't know what to make of it.
Speaker 8:Yeah, exactly, it wasn't one. You were immediately praising. You were like, yeah, we watched it.
Speaker 7:I loved when his head got split by the coffee table.
Speaker 6:That's a good review.
Speaker 8:Oh, I thought of another connection in Lost Highway. It also features the actor Michael Massey, who shot brandon lee on the set of the crow accidentally, like it was not his fault.
Speaker 7:He's the unfortunate guy that had the dummy bullet yeah, in his gun, yeah and I'll take him for life so yeah, he's actually in that same scene with robert blake.
Speaker 8:he's the host of the party. Yeah, so another interesting little connection there.
Speaker 7:Yeah, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 8:There is, there definitely is in the Lynchverse David Lynch casting is just like have you killed anybody?
Speaker 6:Yeah, we're looking to cast.
Speaker 8:Honestly, I'm surprised he didn't cast OJ in it.
Speaker 6:That would have been something.
Speaker 8:You know, because there's the thing they call stunt casting. Like John Waters always put what's her name, patty Hearst, in all his movies, do we think that the smoking like was it worth it, like he had a good life?
Speaker 7:right, yes, the only one who can determine that is him, and he said pretty much yes, yeah, I don't know Whatever I mean.
Speaker 6:Everyone pretty much yes, yeah, I don't know Whatever I mean, everyone's got something.
Speaker 7:Right, that's true. Do what makes you happy, because we're all going to go anyway, yeah.
Speaker 6:I mean, who knows, maybe if he wasn't smoking he would have taken a left instead of a right, because he didn't have to go to the cigarette store.
Speaker 8:Yeah, and then we take diverting paths.
Speaker 6:And he's still around. He's still. He's probably just heard you criticize his family for mourning wrong.
Speaker 11:Ha, ha yeah.
Speaker 7:Fucked me. Well, huh, we, the family, we know it's a family.
Speaker 6:I'm reading this and you it's a little formal, isn't it? Yeah, we, the family.
Speaker 8:And I saw you get up during Inland Empire to go to the bathroom, so you did not see, it All right. Well, do you hear that?
Speaker 7:Oh, I think I do. You've got mail. Okay, we got a few good reviews here. The reviews are in Nice and they are in Nice and they are good. Oh good, let's see. Jane Doe was talking about commented on our first David Lynch episode, saying I remember how you guys are fellow Lynch fans, especially Alejandro from the Jack Nance episode, nice. I wondered if you would do an episode on Lynch and I'm so happy that you did. Thank you for another great episode. If you're looking for any future episode ideas, please consider doing one on Dorothy Stratton, which is something that you've talked about before A Playboy episode yes, definitely in the works.
Speaker 6:Kyle was talking about it. Yesterday I looked it up. Yeah 20 years old.
Speaker 7:Crazy. Not a banjo. We got Jane Doe and then not a band. Yeah, really great episode. I've been bummed ever since he stopped doing his daily YouTube show, and then, obviously, the real blow of his death. Any excuse to go back and watch his stuff, though, I suppose, especially his groundbreaking role in the Cleveland Show. You did a great job capturing him. Can't wait for part two. Well, I hope you enjoyed part two.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I did.
Speaker 7:Yeah, there was a lot to learn here. Let's see. Yeah, love the episode. I'm a fan of David Lynch but still learned a lot about him and his career. Ben Kay on the episode is a bonus.
Speaker 6:Thank you, oh for sure Great to be joining the team and that was from Zom.
Speaker 8:Yes, short for zombie. I think, oh, there we go. Yes, short for zombie. I think, oh, there we go.
Speaker 6:And we got a very nice email from vanessa, who is a super fan of okay bud.
Speaker 8:Oh fantastic, thank you, vanessa. Um, do you have that? It's right here on the sheet.
Speaker 7:Oh, yeah, okay uh, vanessa said, not gonna lie, I wouldn't have found you guys if ben kissel hadn't been a guest on the show. And I only have one issue with the podcast. Oh, oh god, the issue. I didn't find it sooner thank god, oh, the internet giveth and taketh yeah I'm constantly laughing literally out loud at work and have to remind myself of two things I'm not alone in the room and death shouldn't be that funny but it can be, it can't.
Speaker 6:We're all, as kyle said, we're all facing it.
Speaker 7:Yes, every day now that ben has joined I, when are we going to get some Alejandro on Okay bud?
Speaker 8:I'll make a cameo at some point, absolutely.
Speaker 7:His jokes are the best. Thanks for the laughs and keep the great entertainment coming. Vanessa PS. I would love to hear you guys tell the Timothy, Timothy Treadwell story.
Speaker 8:That's another one that's on. You know what do you call it On deck yeah.
Speaker 6:These Hollywood people keep on dying. The show is going to last forever.
Speaker 7:Yes, Anderson Slade. We got some comments here. If you haven't heard, we do all the live broadcasting for OK Bud and Death and Entertainment on patreoncom. Slash diebud because we are joining forces to podcast on Patreon.
Speaker 8:Joining forces, much like the Backstreet Boys and New Kids on the Block. Yes, hey wow.
Speaker 7:We could compare to those guys all the time. Yes, anderson Slade says his Dune was superior. Yes, wow, a lot of people A hot take.
Speaker 8:Yeah oh, I'm finding more and more through the years people are sort of liking Lynch's Dune.
Speaker 7:Yeah. Shannon saying Watch Bottom of the World and let me know if you think it's Lynchian. Hmm, okay. Kelsey saying you guys are hilarious. Thank you so much. Anna saying interesting. Personally I don't want to like the new Dune, but Dune 2 just turned me and now I love him.
Speaker 8:Oh, okay. Well, that's allowed too, especially since David Lynch really didn't feel a connection to his Dune anyway, yeah. He doesn't even call it his movie. No.
Speaker 7:Vanessa. We just read her email. She also was telling us in this episode that she was recently diagnosed with COPD. She said it's no joke, was recently diagnosed, but it can be managed. Okay, good, that's good, I hope you're feeling better yeah.
Speaker 6:Hang in there, Vanessa.
Speaker 7:That's, vanessa. Yeah, we love you.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 8:And we certainly had our issues with breathing last summer and into All last year yeah, all last year, basically. So I can you know, like it's no joke, it's really terrible.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah, yeah, just getting over the whooping cough we got last year.
Speaker 8:Yeah, I know. So I'm just wishing good health for everybody, everyone, absolutely yeah um all right, what else, ben? What do we? Got anything else to?
Speaker 6:well, we're doing okay, bud, you can watch those on youtube. They'll be out two weeks after the patreon sees them, so obviously it's still patreon exclusive, so it's worth the 10 bucks a month. And yeah, just okay, bud, we're loving it and at some point we'll probably do some live shows. Yeah, I don't know around the California area.
Speaker 7:Yes, you've got to get out and see the people in person.
Speaker 6:Yeah, Super excited to be back and doing what I love the most, which is broadcasting and podcasting, and thank you all so much for your support over this time. Yes and yeah, we'll have some more fun ahead. Yeah, all right, everyone Hail yourselves. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 7:And until next week.
Speaker 8:Don't go dying on us. Bye-bye, bye. You have just heard a true Hollywood murder mystery.
Speaker 5:I have never seen anything like this before the movies, Broadway, music, television, all of it.
Speaker 10:A place that manufactures nightmares?
Speaker 6:Okay, everybody that television all of it A place that manufactures nightmares. Okay, everybody, that's a wrap. Good night. Please drive home carefully and come back again soon.