Death In Entertainment
Kyle Ploof, Alejandro Dowling and Ben Kissel discuss Hollywood murders, true crime, on-set deaths and more!
Death In Entertainment
YouTubers of Death 2: When Creators Become Destroyers (Episode 156)
The internet has transformed ordinary people into overnight celebrities, but sometimes the path to digital fame takes a deadly turn. In this gripping exploration of YouTube's darkest corners, we uncover the shocking stories of content creators whose online journeys ended in tragedy.
Meet Tor Eckhoff, the quirky Norwegian known as "Apetor," whose ice-water stunts entertained millions before claiming his life. His videos—skating on dangerously thin ice and plunging into freezing waters while appearing to drink vodka—became his signature until that signature ultimately became his demise when he fell through ice during filming and couldn't be rescued in time.
The episode takes an even more disturbing turn with Joseph Martinez, known to his followers as "Jupiter Joe." Behind his wholesome facade as a sidewalk astronomer bringing the wonders of the cosmos to Bronx residents lurked a horrific secret. DNA evidence eventually linked him to the 1999 murder of a 13-year-old girl, revealing how effectively online personas can conceal the darkest of pasts.
We also delve into the chilling case of two South Korean streamers whose online rivalry escalated to real-world violence, culminating in a fatal stabbing outside a courthouse that was inadvertently broadcast to thousands of viewers. And the tragic story of competitive Madden gamer David Katz shows how the pressure of e-sports competition, combined with untreated mental health issues, led to a devastating mass shooting at a gaming tournament.
These harrowing tales serve as powerful reminders that behind every channel, stream, and online persona exists a real person with complex motivations, personal demons, and sometimes dangerous capabilities. As we consume online content, perhaps we should consider not just what we're watching, but who we're allowing into our digital lives—and what darkness might lurk behind the subscribe button.
Join us for this unsettling but essential journey into the troubling intersection of internet fame and real-world tragedy. Is the pursuit of digital celebrity worth the potential cost? The stories we share might make you think twice before hitting that like button.
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Hey, what's up guys? Welcome back to the channel. Before we get any further, don't forget to smash that like button and subscribe to the podcast. Today's episode is YouTubers of Death a journey into the disturbing world of content creators who went from clickbait to the pearly gates Trigger. Warning these stories are so unsettling they may keep you up all night, and that's why I want to take a moment to tell you about Sleepytime Dedo Beds. Now listen, if you're anything like me, you often find yourself doom scrolling at 3 am, wondering if you'll ever get back to sleep. The cure for that is a Sleepy Time Dedo mattress. It's made with extremely flammable yet comfy polyurethane foam, and it arrives on your doorstep conveniently stuffed in a tiny box. Nothing says quality like a bed that can be folded into a burrito Use promo. And now on with the show. It's another round of Deadly YouTube Stars today on Death in Entertainment.
Speaker 3:Live from Los Angeles 911,. What is your emergency?
Speaker 2:Here in Hollywood now Two counts of murder Injury and death.
Speaker 4:Oh, my God, shocking new details that has stunned the entertainment world.
Speaker 5:This makes me a little nervous. The hair stood up on my arms.
Speaker 6:Just like in the movies.
Speaker 3:What do you call this thing anyway?
Speaker 1:Death In entertainment Greetings Ditto Universe. Hello there, how the heck are you? What's going on? Everybody? My name's Kyle Ploof.
Speaker 2:I'm Ben Kissel and I'm Alejandro Dowling. Thank you all so much for listening to Death Entertainment. Go to the Patreon patreoncom slash diebud 10 bucks a month. You get to watch every episode live and chit-chat with us before the show. Yes, today's episode. Oh, my god. Youtube. You know what it is, maybe you've been on it, but thankfully, or hopefully, you're not a YouTuber of death. Bum, bum, bum.
Speaker 1:Volume two YouTubers keep either dying or killing people. Mm-hmm. Before we get into it, we just got to warn you. We are a true crime comedy podcast, so there will be some laughs, right.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so if that's not your thing, go watch some cute cat videos.
Speaker 2:Hey, cats will rip your face off and eat your testicles. Yes, Also, they're not murderers.
Speaker 7:They're content creators, Right and with that, let's get into it Okay, chapter one this is a man named Tor Ekoff Whoa buddy, what'd you call me? And he was born on November 22nd 1964, in Kristiansand, norway, online. He was known as Aperture Because he had a fascination with evolutionary biology, particularly the similarities between apes and humans, not the way we eat bananas, I think, the way that we do everything like walk talk. He just viewed himself as a big ape, okay, and he liked to play around, make people laugh, doing ape stuff.
Speaker 7:Yeah actually what's an ape thing, you know? Like dangling your arms and going like, oh, oh, oh, yeah, being all funny. Uh-huh, okay, he did the normal human stuff, like getting a degree from the university, wow. And he eventually realized normal society wasn't for him. He was more into the ape thing, yeah. So then he moved with his partner, tova and their son to a cabin in the woods. Uh-oh, his day job was working at a paint factory. Ah, he was huffing paint all day, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Takes a toll. I knew a dude who worked in big weed and he loved weed but he got the job at the factory became allergic to it. Oh wow, that's sad. He would break out into hives because too much weed in the air.
Speaker 7:No kidding, that can cause you to become allergic.
Speaker 2:It's like a lot, it's a whole thing, wow. You have to wear masks and shit.
Speaker 7:So then, how is Tommy Chong still alive?
Speaker 2:Well, he's pouted magic Johnson beat AIDS. We don't know.
Speaker 7:True, so the paint factory might have been a little boring yeah, it's a paint factory, and living in the countryside, kind of quiet. He wanted a little more, a little more excitement, yeah. So he created a YouTube channel, wow, in fall 2006. Okay, and he uploaded his very first video, titled In my Boat. And do you have any guesses what this video was?
Speaker 2:about Michael Myers from, or Mike Myers from, the 1991 SNL sketch where he pretends to be a spastic boy tied to a playset.
Speaker 7:You're close. It's a video of him driving his boat. Oh, oh, that's it it's cool. Nobody cared. Yeah, what not? That many people watched it. Why not, you know, because youtube was new at that time. That's the reason, not, yeah, not. A lot of people were tuning in. In general, you know, the first video ever was someone going to the zoo On YouTube. Yeah, oh, wow, it was very mundane, interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so in my boat. And then it is indeed him in his boat. It is, yes, it's not an SNL sketch.
Speaker 7:Gotcha. And do you guys know the first YouTuber to reach a million subscribers?
Speaker 1:No, Fred, oh my God, you and do you guys know the first youtuber to reach a million subscribers?
Speaker 2:no fred. Oh my god, I forgot about fred.
Speaker 1:I don't know fred. Oh my god, good, keep it that way I once watched a three-hour video about fred.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, his name was just fred yeah, he's like this little kid.
Speaker 1:he went, had a bunch of direct-to-DVD movies. It was awful, oh right.
Speaker 2:Kyle, you've seen them all. Can you legally obtain these? Yeah, of course.
Speaker 7:Okay. So because the boat video didn't drive a lot of excitement, he realized he had to up the ante and make more waves.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, he's going to paint the town ape, mm-hmm, he's going to go real nuts here, so he decided to start ice skating.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then At any point does this get interesting?
Speaker 7:And then bathing himself in ice water so he would go out onto the lake and then jump in the water, nice, in the freezing cold, great. And what were these called? Um, well, it was part of his series called on thin ice, not even doing this, and his breakthrough video was called On Thin Sea Ice 2. So not the first one, wow, but the sequel Wow To On Thin Sea Ice. This is the one that broke through.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. So almost like how Evil Dead 2 is better than Evil Dead 1 because it was Evil Dead 1 with a budget.
Speaker 7:Yes, this is the Terminator 2 of thin ice videos Also.
Speaker 2:Ouija is one of the few horror franchises where the second is better than the first as well. That had a sequel, yes, and it was totally non sequitur, wow.
Speaker 7:Okay, let's take a look at some of On Thin Sea Ice 2. Skating around, not a care in the world. I like the ASMR aspect of it. Before that was popular too. He doesn't really talk in any of these movies. Which adds to its international appeal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's definitely skating. Oh, now he's shirtless, pantsless, and he jumped in. Wow, he's continuing to dive into the cold, frigid water, almost like a Loch Ness monster, and he kind of wails himself out of the water, sort of like a struggling.
Speaker 1:He's like humping the ice. Yeah seal he's making.
Speaker 7:Yeah, seal, exactly that's what he's doing there and he makes seal noises. Oh, he gets some snot there. Yeah, you get a little snot rocket. I want to get to one of his seal noises.
Speaker 2:Well then he's swimming with the skates on, yeah, which is seemingly dangerous. Yeah, you think? I would think so.
Speaker 7:I think jumping in the freezing cold water could be dangerous too.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's kind of got a. This is what Bert Kreischer was going to be doing, and he's chugging vodka. I think this is what he's doing.
Speaker 7:There it is. See, you got two animals here. You got him making the seal noises and then acting like an ape at the end. Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:Although you don't see apes often near the sea, well, he's the ape of the sea Interesting. Okay, so that went viral.
Speaker 7:Yes, a million views in a week Wow, how's that? Pretty good. So he went from being isolated at his cabin to being the coolest new YouTube sensation of 2011.
Speaker 2:2011, all right.
Speaker 7:His clips were being shared all over social media. The views were climbing on YouTube and then the clips were being shared all over social media. The views were climbing on YouTube, and then the clips were also being passed around on TV on major Norwegian networks Whoa.
Speaker 2:Like Klagenflurken, klagenflurken, klagenflurken.
Speaker 7:Oh my God, he got on Klagenflurken. Klagenflurken is my favorite show.
Speaker 2:Oh, klagenflurken on Klagen Flarkin is one of the bigger shows, yeah.
Speaker 7:He was popular in Poland. Wow, polish people loved him, and we love the Polish people. Yes, we do so. As you can tell, his humor is very absurdist. They called him the Mr Bean of Norway, that's a bit of an overstatement.
Speaker 5:Rowan Atkinson is one of the greatest actors of a generation.
Speaker 2:This man is pretending to be a seal cutting his nipples on sea ice, but okay.
Speaker 7:They called him that I didn't. And he also had media appearances in Australia and the United States Wow, appearances in Australia and the United States, wow. Later on he appeared in the Norwegian movie Long Flat Balls 3. That's not a porno. I hope not. It's a romantic comedy, kind of a sports movie to soccer players. Yeah, I think that's where the balls come in.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see it's not about testicles. No, gotcha Long flat balls, yeah, we. I see it's not about testicles. No, no, no, got you Long flat balls, yeah, we'll have to add that to the watch list, absolutely. By the way, I watched Jack and Jill Fantastic.
Speaker 7:Was that your?
Speaker 2:first time. Yes, it's fantastic.
Speaker 7:Oh yeah, I did not hype it up, did I?
Speaker 2:No, not at all, as a who undersold it.
Speaker 7:Did you like that cameo from Jared.
Speaker 2:Yes he's all over the movie All over, kids too. Yeah, Subway Jared yes, Can't ever trust a Jared.
Speaker 7:Let's get back to a happier story here. So this also invited debate was what he was doing? Dangerous because he did have a near-death experience early on. So after that he was doing dangerous. Yeah, because he did have a near-death experience early on, so after that, he was In his life or his YouTube career. Youtube career oh wow, In 2007. Mm. So after that he would practice getting in and out of the water more efficiently and safely. Good, Really smart. Yeah, this was snow laughing matter. Oh boy, let's watch this clip.
Speaker 2:I'm not giving you any of it From the Discovery Channel, where the doctors are talking about him. He has got that.
Speaker 1:I'm invincible feeling from being completely wasted. He's clearly gone through a third of a bottle of vodka by the time we see him diving into the ice.
Speaker 9:Alcohol dilates the blood vessels that are in the skin and it directs a lot of blood to the skin.
Speaker 9:So it gives you that sort of warm feeling. But be warned, it is just a feeling. In reality, though, that doesn't really keep you from freezing. If more of the blood think about it is directed to your skin, it's exposed to the icy water faster, and so you're going to cool down a lot faster. The biggest risk is hypothermia. Your body will start to shut down a little bit, you can lose feeling in your extremities and you can lose consciousness.
Speaker 1:Yes, folks, diving into icy water whilst tanked up on vodka is not a good idea, so don't try it at home. Whatever you say, nerds, yeah, so don't try it at home. Whatever you say, nerds, yeah, you don't try it at home, you try it outside.
Speaker 2:That just reminds me of growing up in Wisconsin. Yeah, but it is cold.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and I don't like that. Well, yeah, I guess that warmth is fake though.
Speaker 2:Well, they call it the old winter, the inside sweater. Yeah, drinking a little whiskey in the winter time, yeah, it does make you feel warm. I don't like they're like, it's just a feeling. I'm like, yeah, that's the whole point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is the point right, as long as you don't stay out all day and you'll be fine well, that has happened in wisconsin too.
Speaker 7:Yes, it has. There's been people found in their ice shanties the next day. So, yeah, a lot of his videos showed them, you know, appearing to chug the bottles of vodka, but he said he was just taking little sips.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, consecutively, which is called a chug.
Speaker 7:And that actually he would use the same bottle over multiple videos, okay, and that that was the only time he drank. Ah, he wanted to.
Speaker 1:I only drink on camera, only on camera, exactly. Yeah, he wanted to. I only drink on camera, only on camera, exactly.
Speaker 7:He wanted to stop those rumors from circulating and of course, he didn't endorse his activities either. For anyone to try at home yeah, I don't know who, would but sure. No, there were comments that said hey, I started jumping in ice water after watching your videos too. I only do it on January 1st of every year if I started jumping in ice water after watching your videos too.
Speaker 1:I only do it on January 1st of every year if I'm home in Boston.
Speaker 7:The Polar Plunge yeah.
Speaker 1:I did it this year too, Did you really? Yeah, me and my mom did it. I posted it.
Speaker 7:Oh, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1:I'll post it for everyone. I'll post it on my thing again.
Speaker 7:And you survived.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm here. I think that's awesome. Do you see her nipples?
Speaker 1:My mom's? Yeah, were they, I don't know. All right, if I saw that I would just stay in the water and killed myself.
Speaker 2:All right, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 7:His most viewed video of all time is called the First Snow Four.
Speaker 1:The first, it's the fourth, yeah, so Ben, this is the fourth installment of the first Snow series.
Speaker 7:Okay, in case you're I am confused. Yes, let's take a look at this. What is that? Viking Fjord? The brand, yes, the vodka. That's always his brand and he did not have any official endorsement. Wow, Once again he's walking only in his brand and he did not have any official endorsement.
Speaker 2:Wow, once again he's walking only in his underwear, swimming on a tub.
Speaker 7:Yeah, there's a bathtub outside. Yes, it's completely frozen.
Speaker 1:He's making an ice soup to jump into. Oh, he's making an ice soup to jump into. Oh, this video I saw going around.
Speaker 7:You did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:Drinking his vodka again. That's two bottles, no, but look, look, really that looks like a fake gulp.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Everything seems to be pretty real.
Speaker 7:Although I don't know how you're outside in the freezing cold like that, because he's hammered no better than a bottle of vodka is in your hand and you're not chugging it. Yeah right, that would be hard to resist.
Speaker 2:Is somebody filming him? Great question.
Speaker 7:Thank you.
Speaker 2:No, he sets it all up.
Speaker 7:Yep, no one was ever with him when he filmed these.
Speaker 2:So it must have taken some time for all the different angles, yeah.
Speaker 7:So there's a lot of POV, a lot of static shot setups. And he improved his quality over time.
Speaker 2:How Swat a good camera.
Speaker 7:And you know what is it? The Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hours thing. That's what that was about. Yeah. So yeah, as you can see, he seemed to find joy in jumping in this cold water. Sometimes he would scrape himself, though.
Speaker 2:I could see that there are videos.
Speaker 7:He would get injured, have blood. He even introduced a chainsaw at one point to make the videos more exciting, where he would cut through the ice.
Speaker 2:With a chainsaw, yes, and then jump in no clothes on.
Speaker 7:Yep. As for his injuries, he said that's just the frost of doing business Nice.
Speaker 1:Oh, clever guy, he said that or you said that. Did the Badger Herald say that?
Speaker 7:I guess I said that, or you said that. Did the Badger Herald say that? I guess I said that.
Speaker 2:Yes, instead of the cost of business Something cold.
Speaker 7:In 2018, he had a brush with death With a comb. Apator announced that he had colorectal cancer Stemming from Chronic inflammatory Bowel disease and not from any of the activities that he did on YouTube. Uh-huh. Okay. So he underwent surgery and wore a colostomy bag.
Speaker 2:Fantastic.
Speaker 7:And he filled that up on the daily. I'm sure he did yes.
Speaker 2:With his piss and his face.
Speaker 7:But I have great news what the cancer went into remission? Wow, nice.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly taking an ice bath. It may help, yeah, stopping the cancer's spread. It certainly helps with inflammation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:There you go. I have a question then Is he invincible? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:You know, of course. That's why we're talking about him on a death podcast.
Speaker 7:Yeah, no way he's dead, or was his mortality on thin ice?
Speaker 2:Hey, yes, very good.
Speaker 7:On November 22nd 2021, he uploaded a video for his birthday titled I am not dead. I am 57 today. Oh, good for him, and why don't we watch some of this? Notably, there's no snow yet.
Speaker 2:Right the water that he is in is filthy. That means happy birthday, and he's painted the numbers 5-7 on his head for 57. Yeah, he's got clothes on. Wow and a tie.
Speaker 7:And a jacket.
Speaker 2:And some more vodka, oh thank God, it was without the vodka Scala. Is he going to? Oh, he's. It was without the vodka Skal. Is he going to? Oh, he's kissing a tree.
Speaker 7:You can see the Mr Bean comparison here. I think, In a total loose nonsense way. Now he's got a plastic bag over his head and he's drinking vodka through said plastic bag, which is vodka boarding himself. I'd like to remind you both that he was internationally famous. Wow, people loved this guy and his content. You are watching something that entertained millions.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I've seen some of his videos. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's pretending to be an elk.
Speaker 7:This is very highbrow.
Speaker 1:Transition to elk-a-tour.
Speaker 7:And he's smoking a be an elk. This is very highbrow.
Speaker 2:Transition to elk-a-tore and he's smoking a cigarette. I'm not seeing the ape so much, it's really just the filthiness of the tub water that's turning me off a little bit, don't drink it.
Speaker 7:I'm kind of bummed to see him smoking a cigarette after surviving cancer. It was butt cancer.
Speaker 1:Well, still he he wasn't butt chugging the cigarette you gotta take care of yourself I don't think he cared and each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think he cares.
Speaker 7:Thank you, mr springer four days after posting that video. He was recording a video at jacobs dam, Kongsberg, Norway, November 26, 2021. At one point, he fell through the ice and was trapped below the surface. Oh shit. While drowning, he screamed for help. Horrified onlookers called police. Then divers were sent down to rescue him.
Speaker 1:By the time divers have their gear on, you're dead.
Speaker 7:They pulled him out of the water and he was airlifted to the closest hospital, but efforts to save him were in vain and he was pronounced dead the next day because he had been exposed to the freezing water for too long. He was 57 years. Cold to the freezing water for too long yeah, he was 57 years cold.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, very good, very good. So that was four days. The video we just saw was four days before his death.
Speaker 7:Yes, wow, and that's the last video on his channel.
Speaker 2:Well, he seemed to enjoy life, yeah, in his own unique way. And he got fame and he got his vodka and he got to be cold, which apparently he liked yeah, he loved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is crazy too for them saying that he was in the water for too long. Sometimes it's actually a benefit to be in cold water and it actually preserves you for a little bit longer. There's been people who died in their cars and went into a ravine in the middle of an icy river and they ended up surviving because of the cold, it was said.
Speaker 7:That's interesting. Not in his case.
Speaker 1:No, definitely not.
Speaker 7:His girlfriend, tova, wrote about his death on Facebook in a sort of letter to him. Okay, quote my dearest Tor, friday the 26th November was just a regular Friday. You went to a water near Konigsberg and you looked forward to skating. You should also film a little which you should use in a video on YouTube. You messaged me when you arrived with pictures of yourself and the water. Nice relationship, you wrote, but something went horribly wrong. You ended up in the ice water and this time you didn't get back up Like you did so many times before. In the end, you were picked up by divers and sent by air ambulance to olival hospital. They did everything they could to bring you back to life, but you had been underwater for too long. On saturday night, john and I were with you when the doctors in the hospital turned off all the machines that kept your body going.
Speaker 7:wow, very sad yeah, so they did leave behind a son too, remember oh yeah, and he had a girlfriend this whole time, uh-huh, and he worked at the paint factory the whole time.
Speaker 4:Wow, yeah he was still at the paint factory at least until he had cancer.
Speaker 7:And he didn't ever make money from his channel. He didn't Very little, just to maintain it.
Speaker 1:For the love of the game, baby. Exactly, I love this guy.
Speaker 7:And currently his YouTube channel is frozen in time with 1.4 million subscribers. Good for him. So all I have to say is Apator-i-s-p. Very good, very good very punny indeed.
Speaker 2:All right, apator, I'm gonna have to check out his channel. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Chapter two I didn't realize that South Korean live streaming was this cutthroat.
Speaker 2:Really Absolutely. I know about that yeah.
Speaker 1:Who knew that South Korean live streaming could get as crazy as American hip hop in the 90s? Whoa, this is like the Tupac and Biggie story of South Korea. They walk around and stream their daily lives, which I don't understand. How that's content.
Speaker 2:Anything is content.
Speaker 7:Wait, streaming your daily life, yeah, isn't that one of the more common, yeah subjects on youtube?
Speaker 1:it is but I'm like, who the fuck? Who cares?
Speaker 7:I'm a vlogger yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, it is interesting when you watch something from like 20 years ago. Yeah, because then you see like, oh, that's what life was like that.
Speaker 1:That's true, I remember that yeah, uh, these two men are only identified through court documents in busan. They're known as joe and hong and joe and hong. They were actually two good friends before they became content creators years before they were content creators. You know, it's joe and hong's excellent adventure. They're just freaking, hanging out, yeah, and they're just out there living life before they got into the wild world of live streaming and gaming. So, like I said, they're the kind of guys that would just like walk around and show their day-to-day life. One of the videos that I saw was just of this guy standing outside smoking a cigarette, waiting for the bus, okay, and then like it. He's got thousands of people watching that slice of life.
Speaker 7:Exactly, I think people like to see what's going on in other parts of the world that's that's a good point and all its simplicity, it's still something new.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you were that I mean, obviously this is south korea, but I just watched an entire thing on north korea and it's very boring, but it's fascinating, right. Nothing's going on really, but you just get to see behind the curtain, yeah and same with anything nostalgic.
Speaker 7:I watched videos from this channel where they just have a bunch of B-roll from like Staples or movie theaters from 1988, 1991. And I'll just watch it. It's very entertaining.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Yeah, one of the guys Hong had overheard that Joe made some not so nice comments on one of his streams about his girlfriend Whoa and this started a you'll say about my girlfriend nice that started a tupac and biggie type war.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, these guys went back and forth like cats and dogs putting out diss track or diss video after diss video, just like tupac, diss bad boy as a staff record label and as a motherfucking crew. Yeah, and they ended up like assaulting each other. And in real life, yeah, going to court. For I think, oh, there were 300 open cases against each other that they just kept opening to try to extort each other through the gun. That's a lot Judicial system and small claims and all that. So they were going back and forth to court for years.
Speaker 7:They would call those frivolous lawsuits.
Speaker 1:Very frivolous. I'm surprised they allowed them to have that many open cases.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think they just need to kiss. Yeah, they should. Things were escalating, like I said, they ended up assaulting each other and it was getting to a point where one of the cases against hong was gonna cripple him financially and it actually had the chance of going through. So they right here the video that I saw of that dude smoking a cigarette waiting for the bus.
Speaker 1:that was his last video ever okay so he was just waiting to go to court and he was taking the bus at 8 am for a 9 am court date and then he just decided to stop vlogging yeah, so he took, he took you can't take the uh camera with you, I guess inside it and film, I would guess, even in south korea, uh, inside of a courthouse.
Speaker 1:so he was, you know, done for the day and was probably going to pick it up later after the court hearing. But there was another live streamer, his name was Hong and he had a live stream going of outside the courthouse.
Speaker 7:His friend Hong.
Speaker 1:Yes, and they say. In a chilling incident that has shaken the YouTube community, the coastal city of Busan, south Korea, witnessed a tragic event that left thousands of followers in dismay. The rivalry between two prominent Korean YouTubers culminated in an unprecedented act of violence, resulting in the death of one of them after allegedly being stabbed by his rival during a live stream outside the courthouse.
Speaker 2:Wow, there's a lot of evidence there.
Speaker 1:This dude live streamed himself killing his rival. Okay.
Speaker 7:And what year was this?
Speaker 1:This was May 9th 2024.
Speaker 7:Because there's something about the younger generations where they don't mind live streaming their crimes yeah it's like they want attention absolutely, yeah, uh.
Speaker 1:The deceased, known on the platform as jodel tv, was approximately 50 years old and he had appeared at the courthouse on May 9th 2024 as a victim in a damages case seeking severe punishment for his nemesis, which was Hong, and. Reports indicate that both YouTubers have been embroiled in bitter legal disputes for over three years, accusing each other of assaults and defamation. The fateful day unfolded as JodlTV was live streaming on his YouTube channel discussing the case with his followers. In an unexpected turn of events, his alleged rival approached him from behind and, to the shock of viewers, began ruthlessly stabbing him. Despite attempts to save his life, jodl was found in cardiac arrest and rushed to a hospital, where he was later pronounced dead.
Speaker 7:So he was alive after the stabbing.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, that's the thing about stabbings. You're still alive for a while just going.
Speaker 2:Ow, yeah, could have done without that.
Speaker 1:So it is brutal and it just got resolved late last year, november 21st 2024. A 56-year-old YouTuber who killed another YouTuber was sentenced to a lifetime in prison on Wednesday, after which he shouted Thank you, you.
Speaker 2:for unexplained reasons, he was that old, yeah, 56 and 50.
Speaker 7:Old people shouldn't be vlogging, yeah because I just said, these younger generations yeah, these are. This is not young.
Speaker 1:A younger platform, but certainly not.
Speaker 7:Holy crap.
Speaker 1:Young participants.
Speaker 7:They are far too old for these shenanigans 106 years between them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, they're far too old for these shenanigans. 106 years between them? Yeah, almighty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Well, there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, busan District Court found the defendant, surnamed Hong, guilty of retaliatory murder, rejecting his claims that he never intended to kill the victim, which we have the live stream there.
Speaker 7:They stabbed him a whole bunch. He thought he was a steak or something. You can't defend yourself yeah, they.
Speaker 1:He stabbed him upwards of 12 times. Wow, yeah, south korea's criminal act stipulates that those found guilty of murder are to be punished from at least five years in prison to the death penalty. Um, and then, at when he was sentenced to life, he thanked the court and then began clapping. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2:That sounds like something Apator would do? Yeah, jeez.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So he said thank you and then started yelling profanity at the bereaved family of the victim who were present in court to celebrate him going away for life.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess there was no love lost.
Speaker 1:All's well that ends well, huh.
Speaker 7:I'm glad there wasn't a Hong jury.
Speaker 1:Nice, yes, indeed, there was no love lost. All's well that ends well. Huh, glad there wasn't a hong jury. Nice, just indeed. And moving on to another joe, wow, we have have chapter three, the tale of Jupiter, joe Whoa and his sidewalk astronomy.
Speaker 2:You can never have too much, joe, oh, especially in the morning right, don't talk to me before I've had my nice hot cup of coffee.
Speaker 1:Okay, jupiter Joe's sidewalk astronomy. It's a family-friendly YouTube channel that you can still visit to learn about the cosmos.
Speaker 2:to this day, oh nice.
Speaker 1:It's pretty self-explanatory, but the main gist of the whole channel is this guy, Joseph Martinez. He calls himself Jupiter Joe, he calls himself the astronomer of the Bronx. Oh, nice Cute. He would set up his telescope on the sidewalks of New York City and give sidewalk astronomy lessons to adults and children who were just walking by. I love that.
Speaker 2:That's a great idea. It's very nice. I mean there's a lot of light pollution in the Bronx, but I guess with a proper telescope you could see some stars.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he does have a proper telescope. Here's a news story from BronxNet that explains a little bit more about Joe and what he does.
Speaker 10:That big crater that you saw right in the middle of the moon. That's that crater right there.
Speaker 4:Wow, he's looking to build interest, picking a busy street like this one, where many pause briefly in the middle of their schedules to consider all that is happening above.
Speaker 10:The last time I saw the whole thing with the moon was when I was 9 years old, when they landed on the moon.
Speaker 3:He couldn't be anymore in New York, I think it was 69, if I'm not mistaken, and that was the first time, so this is the second time I see it that close.
Speaker 1:Last time I saw the moon was in 1969.
Speaker 10:That's pretty cool. Jupiter-joy Sidewalk in Toronto is just a local outreach program.
Speaker 4:It's a grassroots outreach program that's designed just to bring awareness of the cosmos to the people, and there's been much to talk about this month, with a great conjunction on the 21st, the same day as the solstice, this marking the closest anyone has seen the planets Jupiter and Saturn in a night sky in 800 years. It is this neighborhood where he grew up, in that he wants to share about all this, which happens to be in a borough with a strong connection to astronomy.
Speaker 10:There was an eclipse that happened in the Bronx back in the 1920s and the Bronx was the only place that you could really come to see the total eclipse happen.
Speaker 4:Out of that, the Amateur Astronomy Association of New York, one of the largest in the world, formed. The Bronx is also home to the city's second largest planetarium, located at Truman High School. The Hayden Planetarium on West 79th Street is the largest. For more information on locations to see the stars go to jupiterjoeshastronomyorg.
Speaker 2:The hell of a, not a microscope, a telescope, telescope.
Speaker 7:And right in the middle of the city, there next to the hot dog stand. Yeah, makes you miss New York. That solstice that's like the tax season for astronomers, it's like exciting.
Speaker 2:I feel like tax season is devastating.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I'd like to hope to IRS. What do you mean? Yeah for accountants.
Speaker 2:For accountants sure.
Speaker 7:It's exciting for accountants, like tax season.
Speaker 2:Right, maybe Suicide rates probably go through the roof.
Speaker 7:Or it's busy. Taxes are horrible.
Speaker 2:Why do you make me think of taxes? It's busy.
Speaker 7:Well, you know what they say death and taxes. Yeah. Talk about one of those subjects a lot on here Taxes, mostly Tax and entertainment.
Speaker 1:Fascinating. Jeff is saying that's not how eclipses work. It wouldn't just be in one borough. Yeah, I feel like a lot of these guys, a lot of the space people. I don't know people who deal with space.
Speaker 7:Yeah, they're called space people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're always talking about how this is the one time only that you're going to see in the next 10,000 years that this is going to happen.
Speaker 7:I feel in the next 10 000 years that this is going to happen.
Speaker 2:I feel like every summer they do that yeah, you somehow had a.
Speaker 7:You made a racial slur for astronomers, space people, space, you fucking space people. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, and that was a pretty good uh promotion for the bronx to that whole piece yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:He really wants to get over by being the bronx guy yeah, someone's got to do it yeah, so they did a whole big write-up on him on the impact. Uh, nicole alicron wrote a. Joseph Alarcon wrote about Jupiter Joe and his journey through space. And Jupiter Joe says I remember being home as a kid and just looking out my window staring at the moon. I remember I did that when I was 13, smoking my first cigarette, just staring at the moon, thinking it was great.
Speaker 2:Well, there's that great children's story too. Good night moon.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that too he said Beautiful thing, it's a beautiful rock. It really is.
Speaker 1:He said there was not much I couldn't see with my binoculars. Joseph Martinez, also known as Jupiter Joe, had the shine and passion of a million galaxies in his eyes. Martinez discovered his abiding enthusiasm for astronomy after his father gifted him a pair of binoculars when he was just a boy. Nice gift.
Speaker 7:Yeah, Fast forward. This Jupiter Joe thing really caught on too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:And I don't mean this in any disrespectful way, but he's sort of like the poor man's Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Speaker 2:Ah no, he's not an asshole. Neil deGrasse Tyson is just so up his own ass and it's like half the stuff he says. Yes, I'm sure it's all true and shit, but I'll just get it from Bill Nye. Yeah, I'll just go to Bill Nye and get the same information, minus all the pomp.
Speaker 7:Everybody loves Bill Nye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's universal. Actually I'll go to Beekman, Peter Beekman from Beekman's.
Speaker 1:World. Luigi Manione Yep Hot.
Speaker 2:Beekman.
Speaker 7:Go for him. Who did you say looked like Beekman recently? Luigi, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he says fast forward to my 30s. My daughters were at an age where they started getting interested in things. I always had a passion for space, so we would always end up talking about space missions. One day I decided to buy a telescope, and that first night we set up the telescope on the roof. The different residents in the building would see it and wander up asking questions. About two weeks after I had purchased the telescope just decided you know what? I'm gonna take this out to the street and see what happens. I love it. So he wants to.
Speaker 7:He's a man of the people, he is, he wants to go out there interact with everyone and let them know about the stars yeah, not only was he inviting them up to his roof, but then going down to the street with his equipment absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's a big ass telescope to be hauling around yeah, yeah, he said he started at his local gas station because he knew that there was going to be a ton of people walking around and, um, it was light, polluted. So just looking at the moon, they wouldn't be able to see everything without the help of the telescope, which I don't even know how. I mean, that's a different thing you want to get into what you know about the astronomy, about light pollution and how it goes through it.
Speaker 2:That's for the space people to know.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I excitedly took an astronomy class once. Really and oh my God, I felt like the stupidest person in the world. That's a bunch of shit. There wasn't one word I understood.
Speaker 2:Yep constellation.
Speaker 7:Because I thought we were just going to look at stars.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling constellated.
Speaker 7:But then there was all this math involved.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that stuff always made me annoyed. And then they would be like that's a lion. I'd be like I don't see the lion. Yeah, that's the one thing that they and they're like. Well, if you draw the lines, I can draw anything.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I'll just Draw a dick, Exactly, oh yeah that's the constellation cock and balls right there, jupiter Joe.
Speaker 1:Yes, he says. Looking at Jupiter, it's 420 million miles away. Looking at Saturn, which is almost 900 million miles away, their alignment makes it look like they're very close together, and so he was getting ready for this. You know little. You know one of the things we were talking about that you only see once in every 10 000 years. Uh, he's. They say that martinez has a big week coming up for the jupiter and saturn conjunction, an incredible phenomenon that will form a rare christmas start, and that event will start on december 21st. Like I said, of 2020. He did have a big event and everything was great.
Speaker 7:Nice.
Speaker 1:And it was about a year later.
Speaker 7:I love these nice stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no way this is going to turn horrific About a year later, there is some news that came out.
Speaker 1:There was a girl. She cried a river. Her name was Minnerlees Drowned the whole world.
Speaker 1:This is a story of a girl. Okay, her name was Minnerlees. This is the story of a girl. Okay, her name was Minnerley's Soriano. She was living in the Bronx and in 1999 she was found by a homeless man in a bag in a dumpster. So her story is in 1999. On Wednesday, february 24th, she was accompanied by her younger sister to leave her apartment so she could catch the bus to school. The 13 year old, who lived in the Bronx, was a 7th grade student at Frank D Whalen Middle School. On this day she attended all of her classes as scheduled and when the school day ended at 2.20, she waved goodbye to her friends and told them she was going to pick up her younger sister, nadia, from a nearby elementary school. When Nadia arrived home by herself later that afternoon, her mother and stepfather became suspicious that something terrible had happened and filed a missing persons report with the NYPD. After four days of no whereabouts, on February 28th 1999, a homeless man who was rummaging around for disposed food and DVDs in the dumpster DVDs 1999.
Speaker 7:No, but where's he gonna watch them? He's gonna sell them. He's gonna sell them.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I mean that's a good point. I mean, yeah, he's going to sell them.
Speaker 2:Five bucks a pop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was behind a Hollywood video, oh perfect.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I used to buy anyone. Everyone had CDs. Yeah, all the homeless people were slinging CDs.
Speaker 1:So yeah, when he was trying to actually found the remains of Minnerle's Soriano wrapped up in a plastic garbage bag, which is terrible, that does suck.
Speaker 2:You're looking for Bootylicious or whatever DVD you're trying to find.
Speaker 7:You're like damn. Look a brand new Inspector Gadget.
Speaker 2:Is that somebody's head? I was looking for Pootie Tang. Pootie Tang was a funny movie, by the way. It's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, louis, ck directed it was a funny movie, by the way. It's great, yeah, lewis ck director. Yeah, uh, as the years went by, the investigation into mineralese's death had become a cold case and would have remained so if advancements in dna evidence had not been made. So this was a huge thing.
Speaker 7:There was a cold case, an unsolved murder of this high school student but it didn't mean she's 13, oh, middle school, excuse me yeah, she.
Speaker 1:They said that it would have been solved much earlier had the courts allowed them to use dna, because they had found her with semen on her shirt, and so nypd that gets their flowers on this one. Okay, they really wanted to crack this case, so they kept that sweatshirt for they still have it but why wasn't it allowed to be used as evidence then? New york has a real problem with allowing to use dna for evidence because they don't want to just start finding all people willy-nilly.
Speaker 2:I guess I don't know they don't want to start solving crimes. It's really expensive it really is honestly, it's just a price thing. Yeah, because it is very expensive. Um, it's actually really. They don't care about this girl, right? You know? Hispanic gal in 1999, fucking bronx yeah, that ain't right that they don't care but, that's true.
Speaker 1:The facts there was a detective working the case and he was actually documenting himself as he retired and he's, you know, visibly upset talking about it. Um, because he knew he had to let go of this case and just give it to the younger guys and hope that they still had enough drive to want to solve it like he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. Also, they went the monica lewinsky route. Keep the dress. Yes, exactly. All that semen is going to be important later, right?
Speaker 6:after 31 years, the decorated detective was ready to retire.
Speaker 8:Going to have to let it go and pass it on.
Speaker 2:pass the torch Tough to do, tough to do. He seems like a good officer. He cared and haunted him yeah.
Speaker 1:Three years later, November 2021,.
Speaker 6:we get an update Three years later, November 2021, we get an update In November 2021, three years after Ryman handed in his badge. Nearly 23 years since Minnerlees' killing, the city announced it made an arrest.
Speaker 4:Minnerlees was not just a grim statistic or a case number. She was a vibrant child who should be with us today enjoying life.
Speaker 6:A grand jury indicted 49-year-old Joseph Martinez on two counts of second-degree murder. What he pleaded- AKA Jupiter, joe.
Speaker 1:Wow, so this schmuck who's going around New York City just like talking to kids, being like, hey, you want your kid to look in this telescope.
Speaker 7:Well, he wasn't doing it like that, not quite like that. I got a telescope right here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, where On Zips' band In my pants, there we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 7:it's very chilling that he has I don't trust any of those neighborhood guys that have. You know an attraction that all the kids like Come on Well.
Speaker 2:You know an attraction that all the kids like Come on Well you know if they're making elephant ears or something, having a good time with a little circus ride.
Speaker 7:I don't know. And he had no kids, right.
Speaker 1:He did. He had daughters.
Speaker 7:He did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, he had a daughter.
Speaker 2:Wow, multiple.
Speaker 7:That's scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he thought he had gotten away with it. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And he would have too, if it wasn't for those pesky DNA guys.
Speaker 7:Keeping that semen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, this is they explain here how they went about it.
Speaker 6:DNA in 2018, Chief Emanuel Katranakis took on the laborious duty of ensuring that the case met the strict criteria that the state requires for an application. It took two years for New York State's crime lab to come back with a familial DNA hit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the way they did this it wasn't a direct match. It's like the Koberger thing where they had some DNA and it matched someone in the family. Okay, so they didn't do it through like 23andMe and all those other DNA services. They actually entered it into a database of other offenders that have committed crimes. So he had a cousin that was probably in the system, his dad, his father, okay, so his dad, who gave him binoculars that sent him into Jupiter, joe also got him caught, wow.
Speaker 6:The familial DNA hit gave detectives the name of a convicted offender found in the state's DNA database the name of a convicted offender found in the state's DNA database. This means the forensic team would be looking for someone related to that person as possibly being Mineraliza's killer.
Speaker 1:So they came up with five hits. It's him, I think, a brother and a couple cousins, and so once they have that I think that's what New York State has a problem with is like, oh, you're casting a wide net, but you're not not, because what they actually did was go one by one and start eliminating people who weren't in the area, that they definitely know weren't there, and then you have a smaller pot to choose from, and then, once they had two people, they took the dna from both those guys, like a discarded cigarette or something, and then they got a complete match to jupiter joe.
Speaker 2:I would force them to milk me. I'd be like you want my DNA, come on, come and get it. I'm going to be over there with this, rub and tug, get detective whatever over there. Oh shit, you want this, come, you're going to work for it. Okay, interesting.
Speaker 1:And so this retired detective actually gets to talk about it and gets to celebrate that the case was finally closed.
Speaker 8:The city says this is the first cold case solved by using familial DNA. What happens with this new type of technology is you go from a list of 43 people to one.
Speaker 10:That big crater that you saw right in the middle of the moon that's that crater right there.
Speaker 6:Martinez, who was 27 years old at the time of the murder, also goes by Jupiter Joe. He gave sidewalk astronomy classes. Videos of him encouraging kids and adults to see the stars through his telescope are online.
Speaker 7:Astronomy stars and everything she was interested in is something that oh, that's horrible a suspect is interested in.
Speaker 1:He's on the internet going around talking about it, so there's a connection there.
Speaker 6:And detectives discovered.
Speaker 1:Yeah her family said she would have never gone off with someone that she didn't know. No, she wanted to learn about the stars. Yeah, so she knew this guy. He lived in the building. He was in the hallway across the street from her apartment. Guy, he was lived in the building. He was in the hallway across the street from her apartment so he lured her in to be like I got a telescope, we can talk about the stars and stuff and imagine he probably used that telescope for nefarious purposes too well, that one is the newer one, but yeah, he yeah, I mean, who knows, he killed a 13 year old, so probably yeah, I just you know, he wasn't just watching stars
Speaker 1:right, right, yeah. Oh, you're saying like looking into windows and stuff, yeah, oh, boy Jesus.
Speaker 6:Covered another connection. Old case notes from 1999 showed Martinez told police he'd seen Minnerlees around their apartment complex getting mail and selling candy. When Martinez was questioned in late November and denied any physical contact with Minnerle's, detectives say that's when they knew he was lying, ultimately sealing the case against him.
Speaker 8:He was actually fifth on the list of individuals that I wanted to look at and talk to. Fifth on their short list, since we were heading in the right direction. These cases are so difficult to do and there are so many setbacks and dead ends. To see that this guy is going to stand in a courtroom and face justice, it's an incredible gratification.
Speaker 1:Wow, it is. I can see why, you know, some of these guys lose sleep at night because they have cases like this, where they're like that. We desperately want to catch this motherfucker right, right, and we can't, and they're close yeah, and you're getting, you know, hamstringed by a court system that's like oh, we don't want you to cheat using the dna, even though that's the only evidence you have to work with.
Speaker 7:It's very, uh, very difficult 1999 that was a rough year yeah you had woodstock this is right up there with this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this so he's got one last thing here, she uh that she knows, she wasn't forgotten she was just 13, deserving of the life she imagined oof absolutely well all right, they got him. He's tearing up here. Yeah, there hasn't been many. She imagined COVID messed everything up, and then he's actually really fighting this, saying he definitely didn't do it, which, if he didn't kill her, he's definitely guilty of having his seed on her sweatshirt. Could someone have stolen that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, you can just steal that. Yeah, it's easy just to steal someone's spunk. Hey, buddy, look what's in my hand now. Oh, this is your cum. Look at that. You didn't think I could have got that. That's the new Penn and Teller. Fool Us Just has two vials of Penn and Teller semen.
Speaker 1:How'd you get it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not going to know, but I'm going to sprinkle it all over these crime scenes.
Speaker 1:We'll close out with one of his videos for one of his many, many followers.
Speaker 2:Great, okay, great.
Speaker 10:Way eerier in retrospect. That's so cool. If you guys want to see the video later, you can visit the website. Oh, cool Thank you.
Speaker 7:You're very welcome. That's him talking when in New. York From the Bronx.
Speaker 2:You're kidding me I killed a girl around here. I raped and killed a girl here.
Speaker 10:I'm right on Pelham Parkway. That's awesome. Where do you guys go to school?
Speaker 5:SAR, don't tell them.
Speaker 10:Great. So if you guys are ever out, definitely here to take my card again because I'll be back in the Bronx.
Speaker 1:Giving his card to little kids. If you guys like. You got to wonder if he's just reliving the crime over and over like. This is how I got her.
Speaker 7:Who knows?
Speaker 1:And looking for his next victim. Possibly that's. The other thing too is that he said it was an outreach program, so he's trying to gather and source people.
Speaker 7:All right. I wonder if there's any other victims out there.
Speaker 2:YouTubers of death could be interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jupiter, joe, you taught kids about the stars. May you now be teaching prisoners about Uranus, okay, oh well, there we go. I liked it. I liked it For our final story. Tonight we are entering the world of e-sports.
Speaker 2:And e-sports are legit. I did a college gig where the person that booked me did get fired for booking me, which is true, but the number one sports scholarship they give e-sports. That's crazy, isn't that crazy? It counts as a sport. It does Truly a sport, I mean, I know it's in the name. It's not in the activity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly name, but I was not in the activity, right? Yeah, exactly. Wow, I am surprised how big this has gotten. I didn't realize. I thought it was just like outside money makers.
Speaker 7:I didn't realize it's actually in our school system now that would have been amazing, like if there was an n64 club yeah, that would have saved a lot of pants, a lot of kids being pantsed during dodgeball.
Speaker 2:What year was this?
Speaker 1:Oh, that was probably 2018, 2019.
Speaker 2:Wow, yep, it was pre-COVID. I'm still so pissed that during COVID we didn't have BattleBots every day and e-gaming every day. The sports that came out were like nuts at costs and darts.
Speaker 7:That's true, and not to mention that if it's in the schools, obviously you know how big that is right. Think of twitch and all the other platforms and then youtube alone how huge gaming is. It's probably the biggest money maker for the content creators and the site, I would think absolutely because people will just watch someone play a game for 10 hours.
Speaker 2:I watch the speed runs all the time.
Speaker 7:It's amazing those are great Like Super Mario 3 in five minutes.
Speaker 2:Insane yeah.
Speaker 7:It took me probably 10 years to beat that game when I was a kid.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and they just do it in five minutes. I think I beat that game by paying somebody 20 bucks to do it for me. Esports Just imagine you show up with two broken knees. You'd be like lost in esports.
Speaker 1:Betting on esports is a huge thing too. Hell yeah, it's on all the apps now.
Speaker 2:Well, it's very serious and, as we'll learn, very dangerous.
Speaker 1:Very, very dangerous. Yeah, this story is very scary. So there was this kid, David Katz. As a young adult got into playing Madden professionally, Love it, which is crazy. That's a game that you love.
Speaker 2:I love Madden. I'm doing fairly well right now.
Speaker 1:I'm elite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's not. I'm three tiers away from being great.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and Madden is really the first game to start all the sports games, right.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's certainly the biggest one, especially with tournaments and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say Madden and Tony Hawk, those are like the two biggest oh yeah. Tony Hawk. Oh yeah, they have competitions for Tony Hawk.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 7:That's another thing you got to watch, because that's crazy, that's another thing you've got to watch, because I think Madden started off on the computer in the 80s and then never looked back. And look it's still going today, as strong as ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember getting like Madden 94 on Sega and it's just never stopped. That gravy train is still going.
Speaker 2:Pat Summerall and John Madden. Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so EA Sports? They're the ones who run Madden. Ea Sports it's in the game. We all know that, yeah, that guy makes a lot of money saying that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he goes to bars and talks to chicks like you know who I am. I'm the EA Sports guy. I'm the reason your boyfriend isn't here with you right now. Probably pretty good angle for me.
Speaker 1:They run Madden tournaments every year. There's qualifiers, there's invite. Only there's man off the street. Any schmuck can show up and try to win their way in. Essentially, it's gotten even bigger than the World Series of Poker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally.
Speaker 7:Wow, because World Series of Poker has something like 10,000 participants.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is that similar to this, Not all at one time, but over the country. It's way more competitive.
Speaker 7:I'm actually thinking of the main event alone. That's a good point.
Speaker 1:There was this kid, David Katz. He went by the name of Bread.
Speaker 2:Because he would always win the bread he's making that bread baby. Not baker-themed, money-themed, he was. Just I'm gonna go with yeast, because yeast work is a key component in bread.
Speaker 1:It's also a part of my infection, whoa yeah. So he grew up playing video games like us all, but he got very, very good at Madden in particular, and not like me, yeah, not like me. I play online. I get smoked every time, Probably by this kid.
Speaker 2:I do a little bit better.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, you're elite, I do a little bit better.
Speaker 2:Well, you should. I'm pretty cool guys.
Speaker 7:You should be one of those walk-ons, then to this tournament.
Speaker 1:I would love to actually invite only ben kissel showing up. So uh, he, you know, was playing. He's a jewish kid from baltimore locks himself in his room, gets really good, starts making money. In 2017 he played in the official ea sports madden championship tournament.
Speaker 3:Yes, this is his introduction here now on the other side is a PS4 player, brett. He has had multiple accounts, but over the last five years or so he's been a top ten player online. There are hundreds of thousands of players that play Madden every single season millions. He has been in the top ten for the last five years. Now he's at a live tournament, though potentially one of the first times we've seen this guy out there at a live event. So when you play online, you're in the comfort of your own home. You got a water next to you. You're not sitting on the hot seat. There's no cameras on you at home, so you feel really comfortable?
Speaker 3:There's no real high-pressure situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he doesn't have his water with him.
Speaker 7:And he looks really freaked out there yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I will say, and I'm sure we'll get into the character traits of this guy he never has any emotion.
Speaker 1:No, he's famous for just being completely. Whether he wins or loses, it's the same expression on his face. It's like poker. Yeah, it really is. It really is. It's good for poker. I'm not sure about e-sports gaming, but I'm not sure about e-sports gaming.
Speaker 7:How does it help?
Speaker 2:you if you're doing it during Madden Psychological warfare. Yeah, no, there is definitely something to that.
Speaker 1:Never let him see you sweat, absolutely.
Speaker 5:So he goes on to win this game and this is his post-game conference here. When I spoke with him pre-game and he was so just understated, he was just in the zone. He's a cool, calm cucumber, you know, downstairs on the first level.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that's going to hold up. He said very simply.
Speaker 5:I understand the game really well. I don't overthink this thing. I'm going to take what you give me and I'm going to beat you. And he said it with just such confidence. He moves on and, speaking of confidence, he is downstairs standing by right now with the former great Buffalo Bill, Steve Tasker. Steve, take it away.
Speaker 9:David, that game seemed to turn when you hit that long play down the left sideline. Right before halftime you kind of went into game management mode. You decided not to score and then run the clock out for this first half.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my opponent probably should have called his timeouts. I took advantage that he didn't. I was able to get another lucky play before the half. Fumble to start off the game was huge. Always a great way to start off the game and just kind of chewed clock. As always, turnovers are ignored.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he's just he won. He looks like he's sad.
Speaker 7:Yeah, right, because in the other clip he looked really freaked out, but I guess that's just always how he looks.
Speaker 2:Well he looks like Jim Carrey from Dumb and Dumber yeah.
Speaker 7:He's got a really goofy haircut Pumpkin pie haircut. Our pet's heads are falling off If Jim Carrey didn't sleep at all yeah that's true. And I love in that clip how there's a mascot right next to him trying to get attention and the cameraman just zooms right past him.
Speaker 2:To Mr Katz See, now, that's where I would be disappointed as a father. I wouldn't care if my kid played eSports, but you're the mascot for eSports, I. I wouldn't care if my kid played esports, but you're the mascot for esports. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:So even the Buffalo Bills get in on the action and he won this tournament in Buffalo. A Baltimore kid going to a rival city and winning the whole tournament. They tweeted it out. Congrats to David Katz, the Madden 17 Bills championship winner. Thanks for following along, bills fans.
Speaker 7:Oh, that's sweet.
Speaker 1:He goes on, wins this tournament, which is, uh, an official ea sports tournament, and it's actually on the low side. The champion won ten thousand dollars. Okay, it's pretty good. It's good, but you would think it'd be a little bit more yeah, there's a lot of money in e-games yeah that's just the entry fee for the poker main event that's true.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, he's still, to this day, listed on the ea sports list of championship winners well, yeah, benoit is still a champion that's true, you know oj simpson speaking of the buffalo bills he's still got rings, that is true does he have rings?
Speaker 2:I think he does, maybe not. He's a buffalo bill probably not never mind to quote bill gates.
Speaker 7:well, he's dead now. Yeah, that's what he said about Epstein.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right. Stop the investigation, he's dead now.
Speaker 1:Do you regret it? Well, he's dead, so anyway.
Speaker 7:So technically OJ doesn't have any rings, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean technically, we'll get to it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 7:I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1:So this kid, he's on the up and up, he's just won the madden 2017 championship, but it was for madden 2018, because it's like a car where they have the number yeah, it's a year ahead for some reason, and so he was going and he wanted to win some more money. So he goes down. He hears hears about this Madden tournament. The first Madden tournament in the country for the year was in Jacksonville, so he packed up his car and drove all the way down there.
Speaker 2:He drove from Baltimore.
Speaker 1:Baltimore for an 11-hour ride.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's actually not that bad. That's a good day of driving.
Speaker 7:Yeah, by himself, by himself.
Speaker 1:He didn't have like a caddy equivalent.
Speaker 7:Yeah, he doesn't someone takes you there.
Speaker 1:Like I don't know if anyone would want to go on a 11 hour ride with this guy no, definitely not the power rates alone that he slams I wouldn't want to drive with him to the 7-eleven down the block.
Speaker 7:No, definitely not, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he uh is. He's on a high from winning the last year's Madden tournament, so he wants to go in there and just whoop everybody's ass Right. What we didn't hear from that interview that I just played was that he was a seventh seed and he knocked off the number two seed to be able to get to the finals. Got you, and he was very upset about that. He's like I'm not a seventh seed.
Speaker 2:Well, you got to win, so go play and win, and then you'll be a seventh seed that's true, yeah, and he just he does not take disrespect very lightly.
Speaker 1:It seems like no. So he goes down to this tournament and you're allowed to lose, I guess, once or twice, but then I think it might have been double elimination. Yeah, so he's in there, he's playing, and it just so happens that he loses multiple games, so he's gotta go, so everything will be fine. And it just so happens that he loses multiple games, so he's got to go, so everything will be fine.
Speaker 2:We'll just drive back up to Baltimore and the story is over.
Speaker 1:All right, thank you guys for listening. If you want to join the Patreon, Absolutely Last I heard champions don't lose.
Speaker 7:That's right, Wow.
Speaker 1:Don't tell him that I don't know if you heard, but I'm not. No seven seed, no more.
Speaker 7:Yes. I got saved from Goodfellas, although I actually don't know what happens in the story. It's brutal, okay. It's worse than that scene probably.
Speaker 1:Then yes, it's up there, yeah, so they said everything was fine at this tournament. It was just weird because he wouldn't shake anybody's hand after he lost.
Speaker 7:Yes, and he was like very pissed off so probably just seemed like a sore loser, yeah, but also.
Speaker 2:This is not being disrespectful, but there's a level of autism to this guy. Yeah, for sure I don't think that he is very comfortable around people. He's awkward and I would assume that has something to do with it. Yeah, for sure, so it's not like a massive red flag. That he's a little strange. Yeah, gamer has no right a quirky identity. He didn't seem like that cool, you know. Yeah, it's still the e-games here.
Speaker 7:Yeah you see that professional gamer over there. He's a little standoffish.
Speaker 1:Let's call the cops what's up his ass? He leaves everybody's just like. You know what? Everything's fine. This is also being telecast nationally, nationally on uh streaming on YouTube and Twitch and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Was this on C4? Remember that channel. Was it C4?
Speaker 1:I do remember that channel.
Speaker 2:There's a gaming channel, g4. G4, yes, g4.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's still around.
Speaker 2:No, it's not, Not anymore.
Speaker 1:It might have been at this time, yeah.
Speaker 7:Because you really don't even need a anymore. People can, like you just said, twitch, youtube, get in on your phone exactly so.
Speaker 1:They have thousands and thousands of people across the world watching this thing and, like I said, the excitement was in the air because it was the first ea sports uh madden 2019 tournament. So everyone's like we got this new game. Let's friggin have some fun. Absolutely, this dude ends up losing multiple games. He's not shaking anyone's hand, he leaves and nobody really thinks much of it other. It was weird because this was actually caught on stream While people were still playing. The guys that just beat him were facing off against each other and you start seeing someone like playing around with a laser pointer and like oh, I mean, it's a gaming term and somebody's fucking with somebody. You think maybe, oh, they're trying to get in his eyes so he loses the game or whatever.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, nancy Kerrigan, yeah, galooly, come on, don't Galooly these guys.
Speaker 7:Or George Costanza from Seinfeld trying to get a. Oh no, his nemesis was trying to get a laugh. Yeah, exactly, overtaking him, that's gotta hurt.
Speaker 1:So what it ends up being is not a laser pointer. It ended up being an actual laser sight on a gun. Oh my God. And this was actually streamed across the world. Like I said Very hard, listen, we're going to play the footage of what actually happened, yep. So if you're squeamish at all and don't want to hear any type of suffering or shooting, please skip ahead one minute.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's pretty nasty yeah.
Speaker 8:Got a lot of good games going on today it's going to be hard to get them on screen. It's a lot.
Speaker 5:It's not a tough out today, Excuse me, not an easy out. Oh my God, oh my God, oh what are you shooting with?
Speaker 1:That's brutal.
Speaker 2:God dang.
Speaker 1:All in all, 12 shots rang out.
Speaker 2:Well, just for the sake of asking who won the game, Did they stop it?
Speaker 1:They did have to stop it. Oh my Lord.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's such a horrifying sound.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what we call a push in the casino. They'll give you your money back.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's nice, you get a push Good.
Speaker 7:Maybe they paused. Yeah Well, that's what I said on the one of our other podcasts where, during the Vegas shooting, I knew some people that were there still wanting to play poker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's over for for tonight.
Speaker 7:Yeah, couldn't stop gambling.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 7:So could I still get my winnings from the slot machine. Imagine you hit the jackpot in the car. Oh my God, I'm staying. Hold on, you're getting shot like in the leg, in the back, like one second oh my lord yeah, so he went in.
Speaker 1:What had happened was he loaded up his car with like two or three guns before even going there, so he knew if he lost this tournament he was going to go out in style, do you think?
Speaker 2:he was going to do it if he wanted to. Is it possible? Right because he had some premeditation? Yeah.
Speaker 7:It certainly would have happened at some point anyway, I'm sure, which is scary, right. Could it have been prevented? That's always more frightening if you realize it couldn't have been.
Speaker 1:Right, katz. It says that he has a history of mental illness and was prescribed antipsychotic medication. He was diagnosed with dis-, dis-, dismissed-.
Speaker 2:Dismissed.
Speaker 1:He was dismissed.
Speaker 2:He was diagnosed with being-. I'm.
Speaker 7:Dusty Rose. Kyle turned into a gay southern waiter, not the American dream. I do declare, I do declare.
Speaker 2:Diagnosed with dismiss Dys. The American dream. I do declare. I do declare. No, I know it's a dis-miss.
Speaker 1:Dys-thymia.
Speaker 7:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Which is just persistent depressive disorder. I guess I could have just said that, yeah, welcome to the club pal.
Speaker 7:Which usually means suicidal. But then he turned into homicide.
Speaker 1:Right, that's right. Yeah, I've said it on. Okay, bud, and I'm saying it again if you're gonna kill yourself, then you can do that. We don't say you should, but if you do it, don't take other people with you, sure?
Speaker 2:uh, he had been involuntary, involuntarily committed to mental hospitals on numerous occasions growing up I mean, you know how crazy that would be to be voluntarily committed like, hey guys, you got a room for tonight, I hey, I'm back again.
Speaker 1:Right Is anyone?
Speaker 2:voluntarily going in there, you got a bed.
Speaker 7:Come on. And who's watching him? Does he live with his family?
Speaker 1:I believe, so yeah, okay.
Speaker 7:And they just didn't know how to handle it anymore.
Speaker 1:Well, they were trying to blame it on the fact that his parents got divorced. Like 10 years before this, everyone's parents are divorced.
Speaker 2:It's like join the club.
Speaker 1:Everybody's.
Speaker 2:I mean not mine. My parents are good Christian people who would never do that. That's right, Because when they take a vow they don't break it, Even though I was desperately trying to get my mom to divorce my dad growing up, but now I'm very happy they're together. There you go.
Speaker 1:His dad came out and said said he's never shown signs of uh schizophrenia to me. He's always been very aware. It's like, dude, your kid has been locked up more times than you can count right.
Speaker 7:Can't wait to hear his ted talk.
Speaker 2:Oh, my lord I can't how many people died in the shooting so yeah, there was two fatalities and nine injuries it's interesting because had this taken place at like a call of duty convention, people really would have blamed the game a lot. Yeah, the fact it was Madden, I think I mean it doesn't help or hurt, but it they would have definitely blamed the gaming itself if it was something more violent than John Manfibbo and there would have been more confusion.
Speaker 7:Oh, that's, true too everybody had fake guns, right yeah and you think too.
Speaker 1:Like when I was thinking of this story I was like this is in jacksonville, florida. How does nobody there have a goddamn gun? But then you think it's all nerds playing madden you're supposed to.
Speaker 2:Some things are sacred yeah, you don't need a gun to play madden places of worship, ch Cheese's and Madden tournaments. Right, come on and it's insane.
Speaker 7:He should have just done what I used to do when I'd get really pissed after losing that electric water level in the Ninja Turtles. Oh sure I would bite the controller and throw it at the wall.
Speaker 2:The biting part's interesting. Well if we can get into that later.
Speaker 4:We don't need to analyze my childhood right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I beat this one kid growing up named Pete in Madden football. He threw the Sega cartridge at my ear, punctured my ear. Jeez, that's real asshole, these people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the fatalities were Elijah Clayton. He was 22 years old, from woodland hills, california. Right down the street, oh, he was a professional gamer known by the alias true boy, and he reportedly made a last second decision to attend the jacksonville tournament oh, that's, so sad yeah, wow. Um, the video circulating on social media after the shooting that we just watched, uh, shows a red dot on his chest from the laser sight on cats's handgun, so he was very specifically targeted because he was beating him.
Speaker 2:Well, he had already lost but yeah, he killed the guy that beat him. Do we know that?
Speaker 1:uh, I don't know that to be a fact but two of the gamers were actively playing.
Speaker 7:Yes, okay, so they must have one of them must have beat him, yeah, and at that point anyone playing is doing better than him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, and Taylor Robinson also died. He was age 27, from Ballard, west Virginia. He was a professional gamer known as Spot Me Please, oh, yeah, okay. And he has a wife and children, and that's just brutal.
Speaker 2:That's so sad. Yeah, it's interesting they're both in their 20s. I did learn this you can age yourself out of being a pro gamer. The older you get, the less good you are.
Speaker 1:Ah, reaction time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a real sport in many ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 7:It's like other sports then it's like other sports and think about their age. They were living the dream. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm always fascinated when this sort of horror happens at something that's supposed to be fun. Right.
Speaker 2:They take it very seriously. After a big e-game competition, they put their hands in an ice bath. Yeah, they ice bath their hands, yeah, yeah, no, they don't.
Speaker 7:That's a joke, I believe you. Anything could be, anything is possible. Hands in an ice bath yeah, yeah, ice bath their hands? Yeah, yeah, no, they don't, that's okay. I, I believe yeah anything could be possible.
Speaker 2:Maybe they do I don't know, they might actually.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure yeah, uh, so they had a press conference letting everybody know that he did buy the two handguns before the shooting well, yeah, he didn't buy him after.
Speaker 7:It's not a chicken or the egg situation how did he get those back to the future?
Speaker 2:he bought the guns after the shooting.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, we've got a time travel, this guy's good, yeah, he shot it from 2024, yeah uh ea sports released a statement saying its most heartfelt sympathies went out to the families and victims of those who were injured and killed.
Speaker 7:Uh, which is nice of course yeah, but what else you're gonna say if you're ea?
Speaker 1:sorry for not providing security oh, I mean.
Speaker 2:But again, who thinks this is gonna happen at a madden tournament?
Speaker 7:it's, it's supposed to be innocent exactly, yeah, you would never suspect this and there probably was security on some level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean certainly the Comic-Cons are highly secured Right?
Speaker 1:But they don't allow realistic looking weapons either. Now at those cons.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they do confiscate, that's smart.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Ea further donated $1 million as charity for the victims of the shooting and set up another fund for others to be able to contribute to them. So, oh my god, that was nice yeah brutal.
Speaker 2:You just get up one day and you're like I'm gonna go win this madden tournament and some jackass shoots you. It's the worst way to die it really is yeah, it's very scary so what happened with him? Did he end up committing suicide on the site?
Speaker 1:yeah, so like a friggin coward, he took himself out after because he didn't want to deal with the consequences of what he had done okay so took the coward's way out and, uh yeah, just left a bunch of families grieving like an ass jesus.
Speaker 7:It's so weird. At the beginning of the story I wasn't sure if he was going to be the perpetrator or the victim. Yeah, and looking back now like what a creepy interview. Yeah, it's very strange.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. Uh, it's a perversion of pearl jams, jeremy, it's always the quiet ones. That are not always the quiet ones, but sometimes it's the person you know is coming. You're like, oh yeah, they're definitely gonna commit crimes, but I don't think a lot of people saw this one coming, except that he did look like a psycho.
Speaker 7:He really did he has that psycho. Look, and let's be honest, if you're gonna succeed in streaming your game playing, you do have to have a bit of charisma. Right, this guy was just good at madden, but he had no personality.
Speaker 2:I think he was lacking tits, that's really what you want he's too skinny If you're a woman, or a man in my case as well but if you can mix a little sex appeal with gaming, you're going to be a multimillionaire. It's over. Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 1:Time Magazine said the documents that the fbi released portrayed david katz as an obsessive consumer of video games, sometimes to the detriment of his school attendance or personal hygiene oh, which is, like every other gamer, his mother said quote his hair would go unwashed for days all right, that's something I mean, I don't care, yeah, yeah uh.
Speaker 1:As their relationship deteriorated with his mother, elizabeth katz, she routinely called 9-1-1, accusing david of assaulting her to gain control of the television remote. What so? This guy was just unhinged he really was. They did know they raised a psychopath exactly that's why the dad coming out and being like I don't know what anybody's talking about, he was a very nice boy oh my lord, it sounds like there was some denial going on big time. It ain't just a river in egypt, oh well, he should go and date susan klebold yeah, for real oh, the mom
Speaker 2:of. Yes, oh her, the columbine shooter yes, his father.
Speaker 7:Yeah, love, they would make a great couple so what do you guys talk about?
Speaker 2:You know birthing a psychopath.
Speaker 7:Yeah, and how they didn't see any signs? Yeah, because they're fucking idiots. It was just on them Frigging ace holes. Don't blame the parents yeah, you know what? Let's blame some of these parents.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. I blame whoever Was he? I blame whoever. What was he playing as the Buffalo Bills when he lost?
Speaker 1:I think the Ravens.
Speaker 2:Oh, he was playing as the Ravens. Oh, dude, you've got to win with the Ravens. Lamar Jackson is made for Madden. His character is almost like the Bo Jackson of sports.
Speaker 1:Maybe he wanted to go down like his hero Ray Lewis, who definitely shot somebody.
Speaker 2:Okay, Ray Lewis, that man You're such an asshole. Kyle, your whole family is criminals, yeah.
Speaker 4:I know.
Speaker 1:Ray Lewis.
Speaker 2:That's all I know. It had to happen, ray Lewis, it had to happen.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it had to happen. What do you?
Speaker 2:mean it had to happen. He had to do with Ray. You're going to mess with Ray Lewis. You're going to die. What?
Speaker 7:are you doing? He's not even he said yes, he killed somebody, but he was in the right.
Speaker 2:He was in the right. Same with Snoop Dogg, who also Kyle diminishes.
Speaker 7:You know what happened that night. Someone scuffed his coat, so you should kill someone for that.
Speaker 2:Pow, pow. Somebody scuffed Ray Lewis's coat.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you fucked.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that is an offense punishable by death in baltimore it is well, that was, that was at the super bowl, not even baltimore that's right atlanta oh, come on, atlanta also oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 2:And there's a hot take. Yeah, just nothing. It's fine, it's all a famer.
Speaker 1:I believe that will take us to Final thoughts.
Speaker 7:Okay, so we have to move on from Ray Lewis being innocent even though he killed a man.
Speaker 2:We got a whole death and entertainment on it, so people can go back and Murder and killing are different things. Hey, hey.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what do we have today? We had Apator, poor guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the most innocent of all of the people we've covered.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:His content is also very self-damaging.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you got to take care of your physical and mental health.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Jupiter Joe technically I guess his content was pure in a sense Right, then obviously the crime was absolutely heinous and which I almost think makes it worse right?
Speaker 7:well, it's always those people that are pretending like they're nice guys. Yeah, when you find out that they're evil well sometimes.
Speaker 2:But again and sometimes I think that's a trope. That's a little bit like jeffrey dahmer. His neighbors were like he was a little weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true and they could smell rotting people every time he opened his door.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah, but it is common with the kind of crimes that jupiter joe did, yeah, where oftentimes they do wear the mask of being, you know, the neighborhood friendly well, I think he did that too because he wanted to be around children, yeah, and that's how he was able to do it.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's all nasty, nasty.
Speaker 1:Creepy, creepy. And then the Korean. Oh yeah, the Korean Tupac Biggie beef.
Speaker 2:Yeah that was quite the beef. Yeah, I think the weirdest part about all of this is, in a sense, aren't we all complicit? People watch this stuff. We talked about it on OK Bud this week with a mukbanger that died. People watch this stuff and in a way, they want it to end horribly.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I mean not a.
Speaker 2:Madden. I think most people watch the Madden tournament and be like I hope someone scores, yeah, but in other cases it is a dangerous line. You're right, though, look at.
Speaker 7:Apator. Yeah, from the very beginning you're watching these videos thinking how can he survive that right and it's fascinating to watch and then eventually it did kill him right rip yeah, and then, as far as madden, all I can say is don't take the game so seriously oh, of course you know any.
Speaker 2:Any. He could have lost at frogger, yeah, and done this, though I don't think it was madden. Know he could have lost at Frogger and done this, though I don't think it was Madden's fault.
Speaker 7:Someone could have gotten his order wrong at Starbucks.
Speaker 2:He was going to kill somebody.
Speaker 7:Yes, Right Well, RIP to all the innocent lives lost.
Speaker 1:Yes, you hear that You've got mail. Hey, we got ourselves a mailbag. Nice, you've got mail. Hey, we got ourselves a mail bag. From the Gene Hackman episode. Jane Doe wrote and is backing up Alejandro's mom. Wow, wow, jane Doe said my mom had a crush on Gene Hackman too. She liked him more than Tom Cruise and the firm. Okay, I had no clue. He was so old and I was so surprised when he died. May he, his wife and their dogs rest in peace. Well, there's only one dog, but eventually they can all rest in peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and she will forever love his performance in the royal tenenbaums oh, it's the best. Yeah, so funny, so many great roles yeah, faking an illness to get back in this kid's life. Who doesn't do that?
Speaker 7:it's a nice family story it is and real and real. Quickly, since we recorded that episode, we found out that the wife died from a disease. She got from a rat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, antivirus.
Speaker 7:What's it called Hantavirus Hantavirus while she's cleaning the garage. Oh God no good deed goes unpunished, like she's trying to do some cleaning and she dies from it. Jeez. And then we found out that Gene Hackman had Alzheimer's. Yep, he was walking around her corpse for a week, so that's the scenario I guess that happened he died and then he eventually died, not even realizing she was dead.
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