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The Adam Walsh Tragedy: How a Father's Pain Changed America (Episode 163)
The murder of six-year-old Adam Walsh in 1981 didn't just devastate a family—it fundamentally transformed how America protects its children and hunts its criminals. What began as a routine shopping trip to a Florida Sears department store ended in unimaginable tragedy when Adam disappeared while playing at a video game display, only to be found murdered weeks later.
This horrific event catalyzed a revolution in American justice. Before Adam's case, there was no national database for missing children, no standardized protocols for immediate action, and no systematic way to mobilize the public in searches. His father John Walsh, previously a successful hotel developer, channeled his grief into creating these essential systems—founding the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, pioneering missing children images on milk cartons, and establishing "Code Adam" protocols now used in thousands of retail stores nationwide.
But Walsh's most visible legacy came through television. By creating and hosting "America's Most Wanted," he transformed crime-fighting from a passive spectator sport into an interactive nationwide manhunt where everyday citizens became crucial partners in bringing fugitives to justice. The show's success was staggering: over 1,600 fugitives captured, including serial killers, child predators, and terrorists. More importantly, it helped recover over 60 abducted children alive—saving countless families from experiencing the same devastation the Walshes endured.
The impact extends far beyond television. The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006 created comprehensive national standards for sex offender registration, while the Walsh family's advocacy directly influenced how law enforcement, businesses, and communities respond when children go missing. Through unimaginable pain, they forged systems that now protect millions.
Listen as we explore this pivotal moment in American justice and how one family's tragedy became the catalyst for a safer nation. Their story reminds us that sometimes the most powerful social change emerges from our darkest moments.
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Picture this it's 1981. Disco is dying, neon is everywhere and in a Sears department store in Florida, a tragedy strikes that will change America forever. Six-year-old Adam Walsh disappears and the nation loses its collective innocence. But out of that darkness, oh sweet revenge. John Walsh, suburban dad, turned full-time vengeance machine, doesn't just grieve, he transforms. One minute he's building luxury hotels, the next he's building a national database to track down every creep, crook and coward, coast to coast. And America's Most Wanted, well, it becomes every fugitive's worst nightmare. Justice had a name, and it was Walsh. Had a name and it was Walsh. So join us as we trace the sad but true birth of America's Most Wanted and how a father's worst nightmare turned into a criminal takedown machine with a capture rate that made the FBI look like mall cops. So grab your tissues and your popcorn. Justice is coming and it's wearing an 80s sports coat. That's today on Death in Entertainment.
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Speaker 6:Two counts of murder. Injury and death, oh my God. Shocking new details.
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Speaker 1:Greetings Ditto Universe.
Speaker 6:What's up everybody?
Speaker 1:How the heck are you? My name is Kyle Plouffe.
Speaker 6:I'm Ben Kissel. Thank you so much for joining us on this episode of Death in Entertainment. Find us on Patreon at patreoncom. Slash, diebud, diebud and OK Bud joined forces or DiePod and. Ok Bud have joined forces to give you the best content possible throughout your week. Today's episode my God, this murder changed American television. It changed America forever. Today we are discussing the murder of Adam Walsh and the birth of America's Most Wanted yes and we are missing Alejandro this week.
Speaker 1:Not missing, child missing.
Speaker 6:No, he's still around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he'll be back next week, so don't worry.
Speaker 6:Yes, there's no Amber Alert for Alejandro.
Speaker 1:But there is an alert to start this episode, let's go. Okay, so we're going to start it where it all began, with Mr John Walsh the formative years of a future advocate. John Walsh was born on December 26, 1945 in Auburn, new York, which that's a small industrial town in upstate New York, just outside of Syracuse, all right, where the Orange play, perfect he was the oldest of four children born to John Edward Walsh Sr and Gene Walsh, I will say the Orange, the least creative name of all time.
Speaker 6:It's garbage. For a sports team. It's almost like the dude from Anchorman, where he's just like lamp microphone. What should we name our college team? Orange anchorman, where he's just like lamp Microphone. What should we name our college?
Speaker 1:team Orange, don't get peeled. How do you root for an orange? I don't know, I do. His family was extremely rooted in the Irish Catholic tradition, which just means being angry at yourself and everybody else.
Speaker 6:Absolutely as you should.
Speaker 1:Self-hatred. His parents, they say, emphasized strong moral values, discipline and a commitment to hard work, which just means blue collar. Yes, his father worked as a salesperson for a construction company, which is slightly it's like light blue collar.
Speaker 6:It's elevated. He's the one selling the bricks and the mortar. He's not putting it down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, it provided the family with a modest but stable living, which is nice, that's America.
Speaker 6:Absolutely Upper middle class most likely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, walsh grew up in a close-knit neighborhood where everybody knew each other.
Speaker 6:Which is a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 1:Yes, Because that emphasized that you could trust people.
Speaker 6:Right, but then also next thing you know, Harold was over at Becky's house during lunch. I wonder if we should tell Tom Right.
Speaker 1:So everybody in his town. They trusted each other, they tried to look out for one another as best as they could, but like you said, they're also pretty gossipy, I would imagine. Of course John attended private Catholic school in Auburn at Our Lady of Mount Carmel High School.
Speaker 6:Wow, that's all over Brooklyn.
Speaker 1:It sounds delicious.
Speaker 6:It really does. It's fantastic. Our Lady of Sprinkles is really top notch. They do a whole festival in Williamsburg.
Speaker 1:And it's fantastic.
Speaker 6:Yes, in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1:May you be blessed by the Father, the Son and the Holy Nougat.
Speaker 6:I love it. I feel like a Snickers bar for Christ For real.
Speaker 1:That'd be good communion Snack-sized yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6:Hey God, can you sweeten up your body a little bit?
Speaker 1:Get some diabetes in here, but there he was an average student academically but showed a strong interest in history and civics, areas that reflect his later commitment to justice and public service, absolutely. He participated in high school activities like sports. He was really good at football, apparently, okay, so he's not scared of backing down from anybody.
Speaker 6:Absolutely not. Upstate New York football an aggressive game.
Speaker 1:Yeah. During his youth, Walsh showed an entrepreneurial spirit, often working part-time jobs such as mowing lawns and caddying at local golf courses to earn extra money I caddied for one weekend.
Speaker 6:Really, yeah, they never asked me back.
Speaker 1:I was like when's lunch. You were casting too much of a shadow and that was awful.
Speaker 6:The whole thing is stupid uh.
Speaker 1:The post-world war ii era was a time of significant change in america, and john grew up with the values of patriotism, community responsibility and faith in public institutions, which isn't the best thing yet.
Speaker 6:That has changed quite a bit.
Speaker 1:Big time, but it's again being very trusting of you know, the institutions and people in general.
Speaker 6:I mean it's rose-colored glasses, but it does seem like a simpler time, even though I'm sure it wasn't because everyone was hiding under their desk because they thought that was going to help them survive a nuclear holocaust. Yeah, that too, but it does seem like white picket fences, warm apple pie, old school Americana.
Speaker 1:Family was central to his life. He spent a lot of his time with his extended relatives and learned early about loyalty and the importance of personal responsibility. After high school, john attended the university at buffalo, where he graduated with a bachelor of arts degree in history in 1967. And this university at buffalo, it's not university of buffalo, it's university at buffalo. Okay, it's nothing to sneeze at. We got notable alumni that include, uh, you know, death and entertainment regular Janine Pirro.
Speaker 6:Whoa, janine Pirro from Fox News. Yeah, dude, I've met Janine Pirro many times.
Speaker 1:She seems like she'd be hot in person.
Speaker 6:She's real mean, and when she takes off her makeup it's like you're Bill O'Reilly. It's crazy, bro. She yells at everybody all the time and she's really tiny and scary.
Speaker 1:Oh my god. She's been on the death and entertainment shit list for a long time. We got wolf blitzer coming from this school I've also met wolf. He's very tiny as well yeah, a little salt and pepper shakers, those two yeah, weird looking in real life huge head khalil mac, who, uh, plays for our Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1:Oh, terry Gross from NPR, who got into it with Hillary Clinton. That's the NPR host that I was telling you about. That Hillary was like I never said I was against gay marriage and she was like yes, you did Right. James Starks of the Green Bay Packers, and the list goes on to end right there, pretty much.
Speaker 6:Okay, well, that's been significant At Buffalo. Yes, significant alumni.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just interesting because at that time John Walsh had no aspirations to be in the media like all these folks. He was just a guy that wanted to broaden his understanding of American history and move on to bigger and better things. Right, he graduated in 1967 and immediately took off for the glitz and the glamour of Hollywood Florida.
Speaker 6:Beautiful, beautiful Honey, we're going to Hollywood, florida.
Speaker 1:I hate when big towns have other major famous cities' names.
Speaker 6:I've been to Hollywood Florida. It's all right, it's all right. It's all right. I mean, they're probably filming more stuff there now than Hollywood California.
Speaker 1:That's true. John actually got a job immediately working in the luxury hotel business. He worked in hotel management and luxury resort development, which at the time was booming, because everyone was like, oh, I'm just going to go down to Florida and die.
Speaker 6:I wonder if he had anything to do with the Margaritaville.
Speaker 1:Possibly. Yeah, so he wasn't just some hotel clerk. He was involved in high-end development and marketing, often working with investors directly in management groups to build, promote and sell luxury hotel properties. Oh, so he had a whole bunch of skills, sales and marketing, uh, management and development of projects from construction to operation.
Speaker 6:So he was doing everything dang, and I wasn't just fantasizing hollywood. Florida has one of the best margaritavilles in the world. It's right on the beach. I stayed there many times, yeah oh, it's like a whole resort it's a margaritaville baby. Wow, only the best, they got big old sandal. When you walk in you see a big sandal.
Speaker 1:I fed that too, and one of them's at universal city walk here and the other ones at universal in orlando, florida, but they're just the restaurants. I didn't know that they had like a whole resort dude when I was on the lamb. I spent two weeks at margaritaville wow yeah, wasting away, baby, yeah, cheeseburgers and paradise pretty much.
Speaker 1:It was like the opposite of wasting away, though, because I was eating a lot yeah, yeah, it was gaining gaining a ton at margaritaville uh, so yeah, he would negotiate with city developers, officials and financiers well respected guy yes, uh, he promoted florida as the the luxury destination to wealthy tourists and investors, which is it's true it worked. Yeah, I mean, it's so humid after coming to california. Florida used to be one of my favorite places to go when I was a kid. I had an aunt that lived near disney and it was awesome, sure. But now I've gone back, I'm like I am covered in film the whole time.
Speaker 6:Right, I just feel gross yeah, my folks uh were in. They are in fort lauderdale area. I mean it's nice, but again I don't think I could live there. It does seem that it's a special kind of sun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it rains every day at noon and four o'clock and then you just got to deal with it. It's brutal. Yeah, so yes he eventually became a successful executive, but during that time he met Ravay, his wife, his soon to be wife.
Speaker 4:Ravay.
Speaker 1:They met in the late 1960s, while John was working in Florida, and they married in 1971. By all accounts, there was a strong relationship built on mutual love, ambition and a shared dream of building a family together. So they actually went the traditional route, which is you get married first and then you have a kid, which in my family it's you have a kid and then go. Eh, might as well just get married now, right, kind of yeah, put the horse before the cart, or something like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Or the cart before the horse. Right. Well then you have to get married. Right. It's called sandbagging. That's a good thing to do.
Speaker 1:The couple lived a relatively normal, happy life and then they settled in South Florida. In 1974, they welcomed their first child, adam Walsh, into the world. Oh, adam. Adam was born November 14, 1974, in Hollywood, Florida, and his parents doted on him. They described him as a happy, intelligent, gentle child. The Walshes were a young, upwardly, mobile couple. That's just fancy words, for they were making that money.
Speaker 6:They could walk. Yeah, that's actually pretty words, for they were making that money. They could walk, yeah. Yeah, that's actually pretty good for florida if you can walk upright. They had opposable thumbs you better watch out for those scooters in florida. They don't care at all yeah, they'll go right through your windshield. Seriously, everyone drives golf carts too yeah hammered.
Speaker 1:It's so weird john, um, like you said, went to work every day. Revay was a stay-at-home mom and they were thriving Nice. Adam was described as a kind and curious boy. He was friendly, polite and had a love for the outdoors. Family and neighbors said he loved fishing, swimming and playing with his friends. He was especially close with his mother, as all of us guys are. We're all mama's boys, gotta be.
Speaker 6:Yeah, got to be, and my mom was also a stay-at-home mother but we took in foster children and she would also take in. I guess we ran a nursery basically at my home. So I loved my mom very much and I bought her a house in Fort Lauderdale and I'm done. There you go. My mission is complete on this earth, Nice.
Speaker 1:He was reportedly very shy around strangers but confident around the people he loved and trusted, which, you know, that's like pretty much all of us, I guess.
Speaker 6:Oh, it's kind of ironic though.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 6:Oh sad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his smile and soft-spoken nature made him endearing to nearly everyone he met. So in 1981, adam had just finished kindergarten at St Mark's Episcopal School.
Speaker 6:Hard school. Yeah, you can see the blood on his knuckles already. Don't look like a six-year-old Right. Whap, whap.
Speaker 1:Teachers remembered him as bright, eager to learn and sweet-natured. He was about to start the first grade in the fall of 1981. But at this time, on July 27, 1981, adam he was six years old at the time he went with his mother, revae, to the Sears department store at the Hollywood Mall in Hollywood, florida.
Speaker 6:It's a fun day for a kid when you get to go to the Sears the. Kmart. The Piggly Wiggly with your mom.
Speaker 1:Woolworths. Do you guys have those? We didn't have a Woolworths in Wisconsin, but that was a guaranteed toy day.
Speaker 6:Yes, because when dad's there you might not get the toy or he'll talk you down. Yeah, but mom you're gonna, you're gonna get a top shelf toy but this was a routine outing for them.
Speaker 1:They did it all the time. Uh, revay was shopping for lamps while adam, like all the kids at the time. They were drawn to the video game display. Of course you gotta go. You see the bright lights. They actually have the controllers there. You can like go kick kids out of the way and we talking atari here.
Speaker 6:Then, july 27 1981, I was six days old.
Speaker 1:Wow isn't that crazy yeah so we're talking atari, maybe the original nes we are talking atari, atari wow, atari 2600 demo unit dang yeah, simple time yeah, so they got probably you, you know Pong Right Asteroids or something.
Speaker 6:Asteroids tank attack.
Speaker 1:Yeah. There was one in my dentist's office just to make that experience even worse, revae left Adam at the game station and just went a few aisles away, with the understanding that she would return in a few minutes. Yeah, when she came back, adam was gone.
Speaker 6:This is literally just an advertisement for Amazon. Feel free to order. Feel free to order online your lamps don't go out there that is so sad it's awful.
Speaker 1:And she spent 90 minutes running around trying to find exactly where he was. Oh uh, was paging him in the store, and then she was asking the people in the store if they could page the whole mall. They're like, no, you gotta go to a security guard. So she was running around trying to find them, oh my god it was just a complete nightmare, totally. And they finally called the police after 90 minutes had passed by.
Speaker 6:Then it's just, they're gone I mean, the best case scenario is you get the adam walsh, come to the front desk, adam walsh, and you know you're in a little bit of trouble because you were in the toy department too long. And your mom is going to be slightly perturbed. Yeah, but this is far worse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, store employees finally came out and said they asked him to leave because there was a group of kids there and they all started a fight at the Atari station.
Speaker 6:What.
Speaker 1:So there was some roughhousing or an argument. He what? So there was some roughhousing or an argument. He's six years old. They misidentified him to be a part of the group.
Speaker 6:Oh my.
Speaker 1:God. So they were like hey, everyone get out. Bye, oh Lord, and so there was definitely some commotion near the video game display.
Speaker 6:I want to play as the left pong. I want to play as the left pong. Now we fight.
Speaker 1:Yep, and now they're all kicked out.
Speaker 6:I mean really, it's a testament to how boring those games were. Nowadays, kids are too enamored to fight.
Speaker 1:Right. It's believed, like I said, adam was mistaken for one of the older kids and was told to leave with them, and then the kids just left him. Witnesses claim they saw a young boy waiting outside the store near the exit and seemingly distressed. It's assumed that Adam was taken from just outside the store due to its proximity right near the mall's west entrance, so that Sears, all those department stores, macy's Sears, they're all in the corners of the mall, so it's right there when you get in.
Speaker 6:Yeah, they were the cornerstone stores. Yeah, literal. Yeah, it was like we had a Shopko at ours and then a JCPenney on the other end. Yeah, it was like we had a Shopko at ours and then a JCPenney on the other end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jcpenney was big Sears. All those, those were your flagships.
Speaker 6:Those were the ones that really kept the mall going so you could have a KB Toys in the middle.
Speaker 1:Yes, so the initial response and investigation. When Reve realized Adam was missing, she searched the store, contacted mall security, who she described as shockingly lax.
Speaker 6:I mean, is it? I mean, is it shockingly lax?
Speaker 1:yeah, at this time there really wasn't any system or anything. They were just like oh, you'll find your kid like get away from right we all.
Speaker 6:I mean there's serious security guards in hollywood, florida, right, exactly? I'm sorry, ma'am, I actually took this job, uh, because I got a probation officer and they said I need work.
Speaker 1:Right In the made for TV movie about this. The mom Reve is going to mall security and he's like you can call the cops if you want. Yeah, just call the cops. Dude, you have the same fucking outfit on. You can't help.
Speaker 6:Name's actually Paul Paul Blart. There's going to be a movie about me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, like I said, police weren't called until 90 minutes later and early efforts were very uncoordinated and ineffective. So over the next two weeks, the Walsh family launched a massive search, contacting media outlets and distributing flyers, which is a practice that was not common before Adam's case.
Speaker 6:It's just so shocking. You never know what happens when you wake up in the morning Just going to Sears. Normal day.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 6:And then the first revelation of like where my kid it's like. All right, I'll find him, he's probably in the toy section. 90 minutes later he's got to be somewhere two weeks later. Brutal, just unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Life changes so fast yeah the response from the police and the media was sluggish, as protocols for missing children at the time were severely lacking we don't care right now.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I guess we don't care about the children going missing right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at this point in 1981, it is very tough.
Speaker 6:Sorry, mr and Mrs Walsh. Turns out he ran away, wanted to join the circus. You ever see the movie Dumbo?
Speaker 1:Two weeks after Adam disappeared. It was 16 days to be exact, august 10th 1981. A severed head was found in the drainage canal. Oh 120 miles away, near Vero Beach, florida. The remains were positively identified as Adam Walsh through dental records.
Speaker 6:Oh my God, 120 miles. So was he. Do we know? Was he alive throughout that? When was he actually killed? Do they know?
Speaker 1:So they think he was killed relatively quickly. Okay, it says the cause of death was asphyxiation. Okay. And the decapitation likely occurred post-mortem. Oh my God. Due to decomposition, the time of death and other forensic details were difficult to determine. Oh. But they're sure that he was killed before. And then I think it's the lack of blood or dripping or something, because once your heart stops, your blood's not pumping, you don't lose as much blood.
Speaker 6:It's never good when they can only find out who you are by your dental records.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 6:That's not good at all.
Speaker 1:And that's going to make the first trip to my dentist with my son super fucking scary and sad. Yeah, like, oh, we're prepping for if we need to identify you well, nowadays they got other stuff.
Speaker 6:You know, there's dna, not just dental stuff anymore. I mean, if your kid's killed, we'll find the killer, don't worry, kyle. Oh, that's good don't even worry about it sheesh, yeah, no, caden's not gonna be taken. He's already the size of a linebacker yeah, he really is.
Speaker 1:He's very difficult to pick up he is adorable, adorable. Very hard to abduct. So John and Revae, they are completely distraught. Their body of their son was never found. They only found the head. Oh my God. So we don't know what happened to the body. John and Revae Walsh. They become advocates for missing children, leading to the establishment of the Adam Walsh Child Resource Center.
Speaker 6:Okay, so did he quit his job at this point? Were they 100% focused on activism now?
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, there was no turning back anymore. He couldn't go back to building a hotel. Yeah, they were so distraught and needed. They never wanted this to happen to anyone else, ever again.
Speaker 6:And this is their only child right.
Speaker 1:At this time.
Speaker 6:yes, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Which is crazy. They do spoiler alert go on to have three more kids, and that is a testament in itself to their relationship, because people leave if you get a cold Right, like, oh, you're too sick for me, I'm out of here.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the fact that they stayed through the loss of their first child that they loved more than the world itself is insane. That they stuck together.
Speaker 6:Especially just such a traumatic way, such a traumatic death.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 6:God dang.
Speaker 1:So this is where everything changes Legislatively. There's the entry of missing children's information into the FBI's National Crime Information Center database.
Speaker 6:You know, there was one senator just being like well, do we have to investigate all of them? Yeah, I got a couple of kids on the floorboards here in North Carolina.
Speaker 1:Don't look at my state Right. Right 1984, it contributes to the enactment of the Missing Children's Assistance Act, leading to the creation of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which is what the Adam Walsh Child Resource Center became. Okay, it also led to the creation of our favorite thing growing up that totally didn't scare the shit out of us at all the Missing Children pictures on milk cartons.
Speaker 6:Right, that was awful. I always thought if you drank the milk, you became one of them. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Your picture goes right into it.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I was like well, I'm drinking chocolate milk. What do you want me to do about Tim? I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to find this kid today. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I have time Right. Walmart this is also weird. Walmart created a program called Code Adam, which is the precursor to Sounds like a new Mountain Dew.
Speaker 6:Yeah, code Adam, code Adam. You want to get diabetes? Lose your head. All right, come on, that's a joke. Oh man, that's a joke, come on.
Speaker 1:Jeez, I mean we're going to have a few laughs here. Yeah, other brick-and-mortar retailers retailers, actually adult adopted this code adam. This is pretty much what happened. They would have to place a code adam decal at the front of the business to let everybody know that they're code adam friendly.
Speaker 6:and then I mean who didn't I don't care if kids go missing here at jb's hardware they're probably people ripping them down, like there's some creeps out there the thing is, if we stop people from abducting kids, my ducktail sales are gonna dip my hacksaw, sales are gonna dip.
Speaker 1:You gotta think about it from the hardware perspective, right so employees at these businesses were trained to do to take the following steps. If a visitor reports a child is missing, a detailed description of the child is obtained, which should include their name, age, hair color, eye color, approximate height and weight, clothing and a photo, if they have one.
Speaker 6:Also their sign. Yes, you want their astronomical sign.
Speaker 1:The employee goes to the nearest in-house telephone and pages code Adam describing the child's physical features and clothing. What were they wearing?
Speaker 6:Okay, not like that, not like that. Kyle, it's not a sex line, no, so just tell me what was your name.
Speaker 1:I mean only for the guy that's abducting them. Yeah, oh God. The visitor will be directed to the entrance to help identify the child. It seems all like it should have always been happening.
Speaker 6:Yes, this is happening before.
Speaker 1:Other than cashiers who need to keep taking in the money. All employees search likely hiding places for the missing child. The police are immediately called. If the child is located and appears to be lost or unharmed, their identity must be verified. If the child is located with an adult that is not their parent or guardian, reasonable efforts should be employed to delay the departure of the adult. Yeah, yes, what are you guys up to? Yeah?
Speaker 6:the adult. So, yeah, yeah, what are you guys up to? Yeah, well, now I'm actually understanding why youtube vigilantes have taken over busting pedophiles instead of the government and uh and police, yeah like these are some good ideas here yeah. So what are you doing with that kid? That's not yours, because you know how sometimes you just hang out with a six-year-old that's not yours at the local ralphs after this child is either positively identified or reunited with the Guardian.
Speaker 1:all collected information has been turned over to the police. An employee will page the store again to cancel the Code Adam Code Adam's over.
Speaker 6:Canceled. God, it's like Fyre Fest. Yeah, I was just getting into this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy because I don't remember hearing Code Adam ever growing up.
Speaker 6:I don't remember that either.
Speaker 1:Legislation was enacted by Congress in 2003 to mandate that all federal office buildings or base or post exchanges on military bases adopt the program.
Speaker 6:In 2003?.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:So 20 years plus later.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Wow, 30 years plus. What is math?
Speaker 1:What's time no 20 plus uh, so those are all the creations that are happening, okay, plus one more. In early 1988, millions in america heard this message starting tonight, america just may be a safer place.
Speaker 4:America's Most Wanted Television's first weekly manhunt is a new weapon in the battle against crime, and it's sending America's Most Wanted rapists, robbers and murderers back to jail. Host John Walsh, whose six-year-old son, Adam, was brutally murdered, leads this crusade against crime. David James Roberts, sentenced to death for the arson murders of the Patrick family who returned home to find him inside waiting for them During transport, Roberts used a Derringer to overpower guards and fled. Then America's most wanted went after him.
Speaker 2:Your phone tips led the FBI to David James Roberts' hideout.
Speaker 1:So their first episode. They're already catching people.
Speaker 6:This is incredible man I am amped people.
Speaker 1:This is incredible.
Speaker 6:Man, I am amped up, I am ready to go.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. That's what was different about this show America's Most Wanted. You would think it's scary because you're like, oh my God, there's criminals around us. But this would actually amp you up, even as a kid, to be like let's get these motherfuckers.
Speaker 6:I'm a little fake police badge. Yeah, and I had my little fake gun. I was ready to rock and roll.
Speaker 1:Because at the time also, unsolved Mysteries was on and they were just pretty much like you're fucked, aliens are coming to get you or there's a child molester in your bed right now. Good luck.
Speaker 6:Good night. The bed is a molester. You're being molested by your mattress.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so this one. It made you want to run through a wall to fucking catch these guys dang also.
Speaker 6:They really fill you with a lot of information there. Yeah, and for him, for, uh, mr walsh, having to relive that constantly, I I wonder if that was a motivator where he, um, where he wanted to remember adam yeah, is that where he's like, I remember the pain and I'm still going through the pain. So that's my motivation to make sure this doesn't happen to anybody else, or at least we get some justice it is tough because even this show started just a matter of years after.
Speaker 1:It's like dude, I'd be like crying every fucking episode, yeah what about seven years after he was?
Speaker 6:uh, yeah, his head was found.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly like. That is such a traumatic event that now you're trying to stop it from happening for other people.
Speaker 6:I'd be like I don't together I could totally see it going the other way, where it's like I do a show about water slides and water slide accessories yeah, like I wouldn't want anything to do with trauma totally checked out murder because it's just so triggering I know it's so crazy.
Speaker 1:So on february 7th 1988 america sees america's most wanted for the first time on fox, and it was a program aimed at profiling fugitives and soliciting public assistance and capturing them. America's most wanted turned every living room in america into its own fbi headquarters, dang, and I didn't realize there's actually some major gets that. They got like capturing fugitives wise. Okay, uh, john list. He in 1971 murdered his wife, mother and three children. Then vanished dang and after 18 years on the run a viewer recognized his updated age progression bust done by a forensic sculptor yo, that stuff was good back then everyone's like ai ai, but yes, back in the day, they would just clay it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they would use clay and they were pretty accurate, but those would be like the scariest part, because it was like uncanny valley, where it's like something was off and this person's evil and it's something it's, it's fucking possessed well, usually the person on the lamp.
Speaker 6:They didn't change enough. They'd get a mustache. You got to gain 500, 600 pounds. You got to do something so extreme where you don't even look like the same person at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so his capture happened in 1989, first year of the show being on the air. He was living under the earliest, robert Clark, in Virginia. He was remarried and was working at an accounting firm.
Speaker 6:Wow.
Speaker 1:This guy who just killed five people.
Speaker 6:I wonder that must have been a shock for his new wife. Well he's like, well I didn't kill you. Yeah, well, you should feel lucky. See, I really loved you.
Speaker 1:The way.
Speaker 6:I didn't murder you and all your family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, david James Roberts was another. He was a convicted killer who escaped prison and then kidnapped a family A family he was featured a woman and her two children. He was featured on the very first episode, february 7th 1988, and was captured four days after the episode aired imagine you're watching and, all of a sudden, the person that you're watching with is on the screen and this is like eating popcorn too like I'm gonna go to the bathroom.
Speaker 6:I'm just gonna go to the bathroom really quick and you'll never see me again oh god, I didn't realize.
Speaker 1:Also they were responsible for taking down the elizabeth smart kidnappers really yeah, 14 year old elizabeth smart was abducted from her home in salt lake city in 2002, and national coverage featured her abductor's sketches and descriptions. And a viewer tip from america's most wanted led to the rescue of elizabeth and the arrest of brian david mitchell and wanda barzy oh, they were so freaking, scary and weird looking crackheads, dude.
Speaker 6:Yes, so scared, wow. So that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, elizabeth smart, that story, that story was everywhere that was another one, like like john bidet ramsey, where they thought the parents had something to do with it because they were just rich people that were like I don't know, our daughter just went missing randomly in the middle of the night and people were like really Was it a religious thing?
Speaker 6:Probably it was something to do with, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Weird Mormonism out there. It could be, I don't know.
Speaker 6:Could be.
Speaker 1:The railroad killer Rafael Resendez Ramirez. He was a drifter who hopped trains and committed brutal murders across the US.
Speaker 6:Well, that's what you're supposed to do. He was on brand anyway. He put the work in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, after his profile aired, the intense public pressure led him to surrender himself at the US-Mexico border, and I'm sure he probably did it on the US side, because Mexican prisons don't fuck around.
Speaker 6:Well, the USs prisons aren't that much better ah, you get three hots in a cot kind of I've seen it three luke warms and a brick. Really it's more of a concrete slab. Yeah, but sure I do love that. He's like what do I get the money for turning myself in? Yeah, I got some commissary here please.
Speaker 6:I read a story about that a couple of months ago where I turned himself in and wanted the uh give me the money wanted, wanted the money for finding the killer, and they were like no, no, you're the killer, so you don't get it for turning yourself in. But I think they should give him $100 in the commissary.
Speaker 1:That's true, but this was proof that even serial killers felt the heat from the show. This is such a crazy thing that's happening?
Speaker 6:How do you even find it on the railways? What TV did he have?
Speaker 1:I mean there could have been like a nice amtrak. He found himself on that, had a tv and he was like, oh shit, dang. Angela and jennifer rowe. They were kidnapped by their mother during a bitter custody battle and tipsters spotted them at a homeless shelter. After seeing their faces on the show, oh so yeah, that's good.
Speaker 6:So those are not everyone was killed. They saved lives.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 6:That's great.
Speaker 1:FBI's 10 most wanted. They got multiple people. They got 17 of the FBI's top 10 fugitive over the years on the air Dang, that is massive.
Speaker 6:I mean, that's the creme de creme. That's really the list you want to be on if you're a criminal, because then you're top 10. Yeah, creme de creme, that's really the list you want to be on if you're a criminal, because then you're top 10. By the way, I'm almost top 100 in Madden 25, so I kind of feel that, I kind of feel cool. It's kind of like the same thing.
Speaker 1:This is crazy the America's Most Wanted producing team and John Walsh himself. They would work hand-in-hand with the FBI on the big cases.
Speaker 6:It's fucking so weird Yeah's bizarre this television personality just walking in as if he's been deputized, but in some ways he has yeah, I'm in the screen actors guild.
Speaker 1:I know what I'm talking about. It's sag yeah, it's fine, fbi, sag you get it yeah, and lastly, one of the biggest uh gets that the show got were the DC snipers.
Speaker 6:Whoa, they caught the.
Speaker 1:DC snipers. Yes, in 2002, a series of deadly sniper attacks around Washington DC happened and America's Most Wanted aired critical information about a blue Chevrolet Caprice that was connected to the shootings, and the vehicle was spotted at a rest stop and tips from the show poured in.
Speaker 6:Dude, I'm so pissed about the Dc sniper. Obviously it was really scary and stuff, because everyone was getting popped in dc even though he didn't kill any of the politicians. That would have been so fun to see their brains explode. But there was a movie made about it and it fucking sucked really. It was so boring. It was called like blue cadillac or some shit and it was so boring. I was like how are? How are you going to make a serial sniper? Not interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how are they not going to be white?
Speaker 6:Well, that was a big thing. That was. Everyone was like this is one of us, One of our Caucasian brothers was doing this, but no diversity, Was it it?
Speaker 1:was.
Speaker 6:D folks.
Speaker 1:It was woke and inclusion. Yeah, it was folks.
Speaker 6:it was woke, an inclusion yeah, it was a woke spree.
Speaker 1:It was a woke spree, he was a woke sniper so while all this is going on, he's helping america figure out all their crimes and their criminals, putting everybody away. But the police still had not made an arrest, but there was a theory that did not go away in the death of adam, in the death of adam, okay there was a theory that the one, the only, je Jeffrey Dahmer, may have been involved in the 1981 abduction and murder of six-year-old Adam Walsh.
Speaker 6:I've heard this theory. Now I'm going to push back, though, because I Can. I push back. Sure Dahmer was not a pedophile. He Well that one. He was having sex with a 15-year-old Filipino boy.
Speaker 6:But this really wasn't Dahmer's MO yes, children and the beheading, because he actually would have kept the. That's disgusting, but he would have kept Adam's skull and he would have made a shrine out of it because that's what he wanted to do. He wanted to have these people close with him and they would never leave him. Yeah, it was obviously psychotic, but it doesn't seem like something that Dahmer would do To his credit. Yeah, to Jeffrey Dahmer's credit, I don't think he did this.
Speaker 1:We didn't know he'd be saying that today. No, let's see the evidence here. Okay, arguments in favor of the Dahmer theory here. Proximity and timeline Dahmer was in Miami Beach in July 1981.
Speaker 6:He's a closeted gay man from the Midwest. That's where they go?
Speaker 1:Yes, and he was seeking to escape scrutiny after being discharged from the army, so he was holding his head in shame. Oh yeah, the Hollywood Mall was less than 25 minutes away from where he was staying. A worker at the nearby Sunshine Motel later said Dahmer stayed there at the time of the abduction. Okay, there were a few eyewitnesses that gave the descriptions of a young, thin white man with a crew cut and glasses, seen at the mall with a child resembling Adam.
Speaker 6:I do love whenever there's a hotel named Sunshine. That means that the people that are in there are sleeping throughout the day because they're all addicted to drugs. Ah yeah, so it's mostly active at nighttime isn't it?
Speaker 1:It is, so it's mostly active at nighttime, isn't it? It is? Composite sketches that were made at the time are pretty similar to a young Jeffrey Dahmer. Dahmer was known for luring young boys and teens, dismemberment and decapitation and keeping body parts as trophies, If you remember. We haven't found the body ever.
Speaker 6:Oh, so you think he's just got the corpse?
Speaker 1:He discarded the head, kept the corpse.
Speaker 6:I feel like he wants the head.
Speaker 1:Maybe Discarded the head, kept the corpse. I feel like he wants the head, maybe, okay. A former detective named Joe Matthews, who reinvestigated the case years later, became convinced Dahmer could have been involved.
Speaker 6:Now Joe Matthews. Is he one of these guys that just goes on television, though? Yeah, probably Try to get his MSNBC and Fox News time.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, there was one guy who said he was a witness. There was one guy who said he was a witness he was at Sears on July 27th 1981, and said he met Dahmer face to face, Face to face. Yeah, so he knows that Dahmer was there and he goes. How do I know? Read my book On sale at Sears, yeah and it was $30 for a self-published, I was like, all right, that's a little too much.
Speaker 6:Oh, that's a lot yeah.
Speaker 1:In 1991, after Dahmer's arrest, an inmate named Willis Morgan claimed he saw Dahmer at the Hollywood Mall the day Adam disappeared. So now we have multiple people saying they saw Dahmer at the Hollywood Mall.
Speaker 6:Skinny white shaggy glasses 1981, florida.
Speaker 1:I think that's a lot of people. Yeah, arguments against it that dommer himself denied it. Uh, he confessed to an exhaustive detail 17 murders, providing maps, timelines and methods, and when asked about adam walsh, he vehemently denied involvement. Yeah, so he was like that. I don't fuck. I don't fuck kids that young right Right right. Not a piece of shit? No, not at all. He was cooperative with police throughout his interrogations and did not hide any of his murders, even obscure ones that they didn't even know about.
Speaker 6:Right, that's the thing. I also the Dahmer files. It's fascinating. At one point they talked to his neighbor. He grew up, he lived in Milwaukee. It was a mostly black apartment complex, which is also why he was able to do what he did for so long and they were talking to one of his neighbors and she was talking about how he would give her sandwiches and stuff. Oh God, and it's amazing because she may have eaten the human meat sandwich, yeah, and she probably loved it and was like I can't get that again because I don't think Subway is making human tongue sandwiches. Oh God, but my God, that complex was later blown up.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is not around anymore. No, okay. So here's my pushback, though. Okay pushback. Here we go With the Dahmer theory. Maybe he fucked up, Maybe he did want to kill kids, but deep down after doing this, realized how much heat it got and was like oh, I'm only going to fuck with young black kids that nobody is going to try to find, because this is too much heat.
Speaker 6:But he was. I don't think he was sexually attracted to minors.
Speaker 1:Did he have to be sexually attracted to kill them?
Speaker 6:Yeah, because that was half of the game.
Speaker 1:He liked the swimmer's body, he liked the male physique, a mature male physique, right now granted again, they can be young, semi-mature, semi-mature, but I so I I just don't think that he would look at a six-year-old like that yeah, they never found any evidence hair dna, dna, fingerprints that ever tied him to adam walsh and there's never been a connection that's been determined between them. I mean, he liked big penises, oh, oh yeah, jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 6:And he could not lie. He could not lie. That's what that song's all about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the police and the FBI rejected it, and even John Walsh himself has rejected that theory. Okay, yeah, so what happened? Is this guy Otis Toole?
Speaker 6:Now this guy's got a big dick. He's real stupid. Now this guy's got a big dick.
Speaker 1:He's real stupid. One of the scariest looking people I've ever seen.
Speaker 6:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:He confessed in detail to abducting Adam and killing him in his car.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 1:He gave details not released to the public, like how he decapitated the boy with a machete. Oh my God, yeah, but I don't even know how they could know a machete. I guess there's serrated blades versus not, and I guess that it wasn't serrated.
Speaker 6:Yeah, he also worked with Henry Lee Lucas quite a bit. They were the drifter killers.
Speaker 1:They were disgusting. They were both fucking each other and killing people across America.
Speaker 6:Real nasty in Texas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nasty business, disgusting people, stinky yeah. Police found the bloody carpet in his car in a pair of children's shoes that matched the description of adam's shoes. Though a chain of custody, they lost the shoes and the bloody carpet oh my god come on. So they fucked up so many times they really did from the sluggish you know reaction to it, to losing evidence like crucial evidence. You finally get the kid's head, you finally get the bloody carpet, you get these shoes and then you go.
Speaker 6:Ah, fuck I thought you had it. How do you lose it?
Speaker 1:it's gross so audis elwood tool. He was born march 5th 1947 in jackville, florida. He's known for being a serial killer, arsonist and frequent accomplice of Henry Lee Lucas. He had an IQ of around 75.
Speaker 6:That's pretty good Out of 100? He wishes.
Speaker 1:This is another reason why a lot of people didn't believe him, because he's confessed to hundreds of murders, most of which were false.
Speaker 6:I think he's real dumb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's mentally ill, manipulative and attention-seeking.
Speaker 6:Yes, he is.
Speaker 1:So he claimed. In 1983 he was arrested. He was in custody for unrelated murders and he was like well, I'm here. I might as well tell you about how I killed this kid in Hollywood Florida.
Speaker 6:I might as well.
Speaker 1:He said he spotted adam alone at the mall, lured him, but he wasn't alone at the mall.
Speaker 6:He was with a group of kids, wasn't he?
Speaker 1:those kids fucked up because they dipped out, okay, so he was outside the mall, gotcha yeah, so he was, you know, waiting for his mom outside like scared, like I'm kicked out, I can't go back in to find my mom, yeah, and you actually respect adults in some way.
Speaker 6:Let me as an authority figure. You know it, it's Sears. You can get back in and find your mother.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. He says that he lured him into his 1971 Cadillac using candy or promises of toys, and I'd be like, hey, the toys are in here pal.
Speaker 6:Yeah, the toys are in the store.
Speaker 1:He drove north while Adam was screaming in the car and he said he punched him unconscious when he wouldn't stop crying and drove to his Jacksonville home, which nothing good happens in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6:Not much, not much. I was there recently and it's just a lot going on racially yeah.
Speaker 1:Tool perfectly described the injuries and details that were never made public, including the weapon, and you know there were consistencies with arson and his arson history.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 1:And, like we said, they found the carpet in his car that had the bloodstains matching Adam's type, and a pair of children's shoes and a machete. So all those were inexplicably lost.
Speaker 6:Unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Hollywood PD. Come on guys. Yeah. So even though he's a complete liar, a manipulator, the police were like, well, that's our guy. And then John actually agreed.
Speaker 6:Okay, so John believes that Otis Toole killed Adam? Yes, wow, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1:So, on December 16th 2008, the Hollywood Police Department officially closed the case, naming Otis Toole as Adam Walsh's murderer. Meanwhile, Otis died of cirrhosis of the liver in prison at 49 years old.
Speaker 6:Well, he was drinking, he was only 49?.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude.
Speaker 6:Yo search Otis Toole.
Speaker 1:In that picture that shows up, that's when he's 36.
Speaker 6:Oh my God, we look great, we're doing fine. I mean mild cirrhosis maybe, but hey, who doesn't have that at 43?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he died at 96. 12 years later they're like, yeah, that was the guy.
Speaker 6:Wow. Well, that's some closure anyway. I mean, it's actually worse, poor Adam. The last person he saw was Stinky Otis Toole. Yeah, oh my God Awful.
Speaker 1:So they went on CBS the early morning show and announced it.
Speaker 7:This is the.
Speaker 1:Walshes yeah.
Speaker 5:Earlier police in Florida have officially named the man who murdered six-year-old Adam Walsh back in 1981, finally bringing this case to a close. Adam's parents, john and Revae Walsh, are with us this morning. Good morning. I watched part of the news conference yesterday. There was so much emotion in that room. What was yesterday like for the both of you? Reve, why don't you start?
Speaker 3:Well, we've always called it bittersweet, which capsulizes it, but it was more sweet yesterday because it's something that's not going to change. It's never going to go away. Adam's never going to come back, so this is the best of a poor situation. 27 years of frustration was not anything I would wish on anyone, but the fact that it happened in my lifetime was my goal.
Speaker 5:Yeah, what was your reaction when the police called you and said you know what? We want to close the books on this.
Speaker 7:New chief real man apologized to us yesterday, said that some previous people involved in the case way back made some huge mistakes and had basically a defensive position. And it was a very tough day for me because I spent two weeks in that police department looking for that little boy the two worst weeks of my life and went back repeatedly year after year and argued and said I think you know who killed Adam, it's here and was turned down repeatedly. And a new chief comes in and says you know, I'm going to review it. And two real heroes of mine are a guy named Kelly Hancock who was a former prosecutor in Broward, retired with 300 undefeated homicide cases, and said I put guys on death row with less evidence than they have about Otis Toole. Joe.
Speaker 7:Matthews, retired homicide detective, who was hired by the Hollywood police initially to help with the investigation, then fired and put this together, took it to Chief Wagner a year ago and said there's no question, huge mistakes have been made in this case. Otis Toole killed Adam Walsh and Chief Wagner said we owe it to you and it was a really tough day. We had our children with us. Our three children have been born since Adam, but it ended a really long, torturous journey.
Speaker 6:Brutal. I can't believe that a cop wouldn't take this on as a crusade. It's so bizarre that they, as he said, had a defensive position from the police department perspective. Because don't you want this solved, right? I mean, it's going to be a great credit to you. You can write the book. You can be like I'm the guy who solved the crime. You can make money off of this if you want to. Yeah, exactly it just doesn't make any sense that they would inhibit the process so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, once you realize that you mess up, you then have to go in a defensive mode and be like and start arguing for reasons why other people didn't do it, because you've fumbled the ball so many times.
Speaker 6:Well, sometimes you just got to eat it and be like, yep, mistake was made and let's move forward and make things better.
Speaker 1:John said it's the not knowing that has eaten away at us for all these years. And now we know.
Speaker 6:Absolutely. And also, to your point, the speculation. Well, the parents? What if they did it? All that kind of chatter and bullshit. Obviously, the internet isn't what it is now. It wasn't what it was then. But that's got a grade on you too.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Just the disgusting nature of people.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and seeing it every single week across America trying to help everybody else do it. Not only was he doing this show, he ended up doing the John Wall show, which was like a daytime talk show which focused on crime and justice issues, and then actually we'll watch a video real quick clip of him talking about how this new law got put into effect action as well right before the 40th anniversary. All right, Hello, I'm.
Speaker 2:John Walsh. Forty years ago today, on July 27, 1981, my beautiful six-year-old son, adam, was abducted and murdered. The pain of losing Adam stays with us every day. But my wife Raveh and I have made it our life mission to do what we can to help protect children. In 1984, we helped create the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and for 25 years I hosted the Fox television show America's Most Wanted, which helped track down more than 1,600 fugitives. But I'm most proud of the fact that the show helped bring home more than 60 stranger abducted children alive. These days I host a television show called In Pursuit with my son Callahan, and we focus on the same mission catching the bad guys and finding missing kids. I'm proud that my family is still fighting for justice. We're also very honored that 15 years ago today the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act became law. It was signed in the Rose Garden by President Bush.
Speaker 2:The federal statute was designed to protect the public, especially children, from violent sex offenders. It implemented a more comprehensive nationalized system for sex offender registration. The US Marshals Service is the lead federal law enforcement agency responsible for investigating sex offender registration violations. They work closely with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and partner with state and local law enforcement all across this country. They also get support from SMART, the Department of Justice Office for sentencing, monitoring, apprehending, registering and tracking. My family and I are honored that this law, named after my son, has made such a tremendous impact and, on this 15th year anniversary of the Adam Walsh Act, I want to say thank you to everybody involved. Thank you for all the hard work you do every day to help make this country safer, and God bless the marshals, thank you.
Speaker 6:Yeah, you can now look up the sex offenders in your neighborhood or in your area it's not good.
Speaker 1:It's a very zitty map. There's a lot of red dots on there, a lot of blemishes on that, yeah I don't know if it's just because we're in la or if that's where it looks like every major metropolitan area, but that is some scary shit. Yeah, and I'm glad that john walsh was able to do all this stuff to help people out and make sure that these people were put on registries and, yeah, we can find them, because not everybody looks like oddest tool right, not everyone is a walking obvious serial killer ankenstein right uh.
Speaker 1:So yeah, what a legacy 1600 people apprehended through america's most wanted 60 over 60. Uh, children were brought back by a stranger, abducted criminals.
Speaker 6:That's the most important in so many ways too, because they saved a life yes, Saved a family from going through what they went through Really powerful.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and the stranger ones are the hardest ones to figure out, because people who are kidnapped, it's like 99% of the time it's someone you know, it's like your aunt.
Speaker 6:It's your aunt who just wants to spend time with you. Yeah, and you know, a lot of times there is something to be said about the way that our court system works when it comes to keeping children away from certain family members who maybe don't deserve that. Whatever, there's a lot of emotions that come into it, yeah, and so oftentimes, most of the time, it is a mother or a father that take their children away, exactly.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, in 2014, he began the Hunt with John Walsh on CNN. Pretty much it's all the same thing. It's all the same show.
Speaker 6:Yeah no-transcript of crime.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Because Guy Fieri works a lot with his son. Now, hunter, you ever watch that Hunter Fieri.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen Hunting in Flavortown.
Speaker 6:Hunter. Oh, hunter Hunter. Well, I still haven't seen that either. He's pretty funny, good kid. He's a good kid Nice.
Speaker 1:But yeah, now it's the family business and I think that's.
Speaker 6:A business they don't want. I'm sure he would have much rather just made Margaritavilles.
Speaker 1:That would have been so nice.
Speaker 6:You could have so much money.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Live on a beachfront. Right Not have to be a famous television personality for all the sad reasons? Yeah, exactly. But again to his point. They solved a lot and saved a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that'll take us to Final Thoughts.
Speaker 6:I'm going to say this God doesn't give us challenges that we can't overcome. Ooh, and the fact that they this is their life, this was, let's say, there is a greater power. This was why they're here and they have saved so many people and they sacrificed so much. And I would? I have no idea how I would have reacted in this situation. I'd be really pissed off.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 6:And knowing my personality type, I probably would have you know been the worm in the bottom of a tequila bottle.
Speaker 1:I'd be dead.
Speaker 6:Yeah, so the fact that they were able to flip this and turn it into something positive for as sad and devastating as it is, is a testament to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 6:And a testament to their willpower and RNP. Adam Walsh, your memory lives on forever and because of you, hundreds of people have been saved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is literally like a historic event that will go down in American history, because they did change the landscape of American television and law enforcement as we know it Absolutely From the top down. Yeah, Pano's saying what a strong family to carry that burden on their shoulders. Rip Adam.
Speaker 6:Absolutely yeah, and the fact that they stayed together and they're healthy, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the craziest thing, Also to have the three children.
Speaker 6:That's difficult for them because obviously I'm sure they knew what happened at some point. Yeah, it's just the suffering is is crazy. It's in their dna at this point they said that truthfully.
Speaker 1:They did almost break up because the stress on them was just you know, I can't even seemingly insurmountable, but they chose each other. Oh, I'm gonna tear up just thinking about it yep, I can't even imagine, and uh, yeah that's good on them. And with that, yeah, let's do it. Rip, adam, and we will go to a quick Uh-oh.
Speaker 6:You've got mail. Sweet, we got a mailbag. Here we got a mailbag.
Speaker 1:Holy hell. Can you believe that?
Speaker 6:Can you believe it? We end every episode with this. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1:Can you believe it? We do every. We end every episode with this. Oh, can you believe it? Can you believe that? Uh, from cute to cursed, how the little rascals met their untimely demise. We got some good comments here. Oh, there's someone talking smack about the east coast again. Whoa, mcclinch, where you are, where you at mcclinch, they say thank you, boys. I'm not a fan of the east coast, but I'm a wisconsin boy through and through. So alejandro is my favorite, but I, you all. I don't know if they know if you're a Wisconsin boy or not.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I don't know. Also Wisconsin boys, like the East Coast Come on now the East Coast is a beast coast.
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Speaker 6:Thanks, goblin Bomber Real nice, I love my Goblin Bombs.
Speaker 1:I like my Goblin Bombs yes.
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